“we lack the character as a people to save ourselves.”
- Speak for yourself. - My husband, almost 68, and I, almost 65, paid OUR MONEY into the SS system for many, many years. We still work; still pay income taxes.
Yes. We made CONTRIBUTIONS, not “contributions”. We’re willing to make any adjustments necessary NOW to get things corrected; willing to work, willing to forego Medicare paying all our medical bills, willing to back off on collecting from the system until later years - although husband is already the 67 they’ve made noises about changing filing dates to due to increased lifespans they haven’t dealt with.
Actually, YOUR granny & grandpa paid into the system. Then in an “intergenerational theft” not then understood fully, YOUR granny & grandpa “drew” out of the system while WE were having hunks of OUR money drawn out of our paychecks, by force, but not that we resented it - although it was OUR money that we worked hard to earn. Just as much as YOUR money is YOUR money now.
See, we were YOUNG once, too, believe it or not. We worked hard, made good money, and paid YOUR granny’s & grandpa’s Social Security.
Tweak the system, fix it, quit RESENTING us. Quit electing these Democrat Socialists who delight in forming as many welfare queen voting blocs to bribe for votes as they can. HOP TO IT and shut up!
Well said. I wonder if people would feel like it was wrong if we just “settled” for getting back all that we paid in, possibly adjusted for inflation. It would still be sort of a loss because we didn’t have the use of our money all that time and the ability to do something with it to make it grow. Still, I bet many would settle for just getting back what they put in.
You’re 65 years old and your screen name is “Twinkie”?
OK.
Good post.
Hey Twinkie, good job on that post.
- Speak for yourself. - My husband, almost 68, and I, almost 65, paid OUR MONEY into the SS system for many, many years. We still work; still pay income taxes.
if you have any morals, you won’t accept a penny more than you are confident that those who are funding your requirement will receive in their retirements. (Note that those who will be poor elders aren’t paying much in now. You’re living off the earnings of those who will be means tested out of it.
I suggest you promote reform, or your golden goose will DIE.
Twinkie, I could have not said it any better. Thank you.....
Means Test all entitlements (SS, Medicare, State Pensions, Corporate Pensions, etc.)
That’s the fix we need. Like all taxes, SS and Medicare is a tax, not a trustfund. If someone needs help, we should help.
Problem fixed immediately.. and our economy will be powerful and competitive for the long term..
FYI, I’m very nearly SS age.
“Contributions” to the government made at the point of a bayonet or under threat of prison are taxes. I think you know that nobody “contributed” anything. A contribution is a voluntary act.
The only people deceived by the “paid in”, “trust fund”, “contributions” language were those who wanted to be taken in, didn’t want to find out, or resided on the left hand side of the IQ Bell Curve.
The taxes that you paid that were transferred to my grandparents - only two of which ever collected anything - do not justify continued intergenerational theft. Moreover, the SS taxes that the current generation pays and that the next generation would pay if the system were to survive are vastly more than you paid and will be much more than I will have paid when I finish making my “contributions”.
The problem is exactly the attitude the FDR knew he was creating - an attitude of entitlement to other people’s money. Your post is evidence that we lack the character to save ourselves.
Tweak the system, fix it, quit RESENTING us. Quit electing these Democrat Socialists who delight in forming as many welfare queen voting blocs to bribe for votes as they can. HOP TO IT and shut up!
You sound like someone who invested in Bernie Madoff's little racket, discovered all of the money is gone and now want your neighbor to make you whole.
None of us make "contributions" - we, the Producers, are taxed at the point of a gun to the SSI program. You and I didn't lend money to the government, and you and I are not entitled to receive anything. Why do you think they talk about "means testing" if there is no legal obligation to fulfill "promises" made by previous generations of lawmakers?
Lets say that you were part of a lobbying group that managed to insert language into a 2000 page health bill that no one read, that would guarantee that you and every generation of your descendants would each receive $100,000,000 each year, inflation adjusted, for life. Now another Congress a few years later comes along and decides that this line item is absurd and they vote to remove it in the next piece of legislation. Can you sue? Are future generations decades, if not centuries from now obligated for the life of this country to pay this sum to you and all of your descendants? Of course not. Dittos with SSI. Previous congresses can not obligate future congresses to continue a hand-out program.
Furthermore, what in hell were you doing during the Reagan Revolution when complete sloths and retards were able to pull down large money in salary and investments? You had your chance to make yourself independently wealthy rather than foolishly depending on an utterly corrupt and bankrupt government to steal with the threat of violence on successive generations. Now we are entering into a Thousand years of Darkness where its difficult to make any money that isn't taxed or inflated away - and you want to compound the misery of the few remaining Producers by making them responsible for promises made by others that you foolishly believed and accepted. That is evil.
This nation is bankrupt, your generation slaughtered tens of millions of future workers and taxpayers through abortion and after squaring off the Ponzi Pyramid of SSI, you want to pretend that all of the sabotage and undermining of society will be forgotten and people will live in poverty so that you can fight and claw your way to the teat of government wealth transfer.