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In Iowa, Perry finds voters are like those in Texas
Houston Chronicle ^ | July 2, 2011 | APRIL CASTRO

Posted on 07/03/2011 3:15:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

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41 posted on 07/03/2011 5:45:37 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: Diogenesis

42 posted on 07/03/2011 5:46:49 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: shield; All
Jul. 02, 2011:"...But his embrace of the voter ID and sanctuary city bills has threatened a backlash among Hispanics, who accounted for 56 percent of the nation's population growth over the past decade. Perry's push for the sonogram bill has fortified his long-standing ties to family values and pro-life groups but it has also made him a target from other circles.

"We would aggressively work to defeat him [Perry], of course," said Terry O'Neill, president of the National Organization for Women, which describes itself as non-partisan but typically backs Democrats. Star Telegram

43 posted on 07/03/2011 5:55:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dirtboy

Perry is by far, busier than the average President, keeping a state like Texas moving along. The economic advantage that Perry has helped create for the state is admirable.

Of course, it is not realistic to say that he deserves full credit for every positive advance, but he is a key player and he has a very strong background in how to pick a good policy from a bad one.

He is a team player and this is why Texas is leading the nation economically. And he is a certified Fiscal and Social Conservative, like Reagan was during his Democrat years. More importantly, he is even more so today.


44 posted on 07/03/2011 5:57:31 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I went to that post, found the following.

1. That poster agrees that Perry sold out all those
children "for a measly $6000 in re-election campaign funds from Merck".
So you think it should have been more?
RINO SELL OUT TO BIG PHARMA. SIGN OF THE RINO. NO SALE.

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2.That poster said,
"Merck came up with a drug that costs $120/shot that was aimed primarily
at taking preventive measures against a virus that is
believed to promote cervical cancer that comes up in sexually promiscuous women.
"
Think about that.

To that, the logical response is:
Why is RINO Perry demanding chaste young girls in elementary school
be sexually promiscuous. Just because he is a RINO?
RINO SELL OUT TO ROMNEY and NEW YORK TIMES AGENDA.
SIGN OF THE RINO. NO SALE.

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3.That poster said,
" ....deaths and tumors resulting from #1" Your hysterical hyperbole is probably
due to the fact that you are gullible to whatever foolishness the kooks tell you,
along with the inability to comprehend risk management or how to
things in perspective.
"

The fact is that there HAVE been deaths. Many.
And many of them were before it was tested adequately.

The fact is that there are both accumulated risks of
tumors both from the vaccine and its change upon the virus
and its change upon other (nosocomial) viruses.

TYPICAL RINO LACK OF JUDGMENT
SIGN OF THE RINO. NO SALE.

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In summary, at the end of the day,
the fact is that Gardasil appears to not have been
adequately and fully tested on children,
and your citation concurs that he actually got $6000
to sell children of Texas
as the first 'guinea pigs'.



45 posted on 07/03/2011 5:58:27 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Diogenesis
The real problem with Perry's position on Gardasil IMO is his pushing for a mandate. The justifications used for the Gardasil mandate are very akin to liberal justifications for just about every government mandate they push (and for the exact same reason) - it's for the good of the children, taxpayers end up footing a higher cost if the mandate is not in place, and so forth. I'm sure you can find almost identitical rationalization in Dem writings pushing for nationalized health care (and in Romney's defenses of Romneycare).

I don't think the campaign donations from Merck were a major factor in Perry's decision - it appears he got caught up in the do-gooder mindset around the vaccine and didn't stop to adequately ask where that was taking him.

IMO Gardasil is a strike but not an out against Perry - he will have to demonstrate that he will not turn around and get sucked into the rampant do-gooder mindset that swirls around both parties in DC. His supporters would be better off to address this issue head-on instead of relying on defenses that are out of the DNC playbook.

46 posted on 07/03/2011 6:00:36 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Diogenesis
In summary, at the end of the day, the fact is that Gardasil appears to not have been adequately and fully tested on children, and your citation concurs that he actually got $6000 to sell children of Texas as the first 'guinea pigs'.

Boy! Maybe they should READ ALL OF IT!!!!!!!!!

47 posted on 07/03/2011 6:03:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dirtboy
His supporters would be better off to address this issue head-on instead of relying on defenses that are out of the DNC playbook.

We have, repeatedly. But posters like Diogenesis are fixated on spamming every Perry thread. Read the link in Post #47.

48 posted on 07/03/2011 6:05:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Diogenesis
If Perry received only 6,000 in donations from Merck tells me it actually had nothing to do with “being in the back pocket of big Pharma”. More than likely advisers and doctors talked of how HPV was a big problem and Gardisil was an inoculation against it. Maybe, maybe not,but “back pocket of big Pharma” for 6 thousand “to sell little girls as guinea pigs” sounds like an extreme overreach.
49 posted on 07/03/2011 6:08:34 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We have, repeatedly.

Uh, no, you haven't. What you linked to says it is for the children and the costs to taxpayers would be higher without it - like I said, right out of the liberal playbook. So are the personal attacks against the poster.

You may be willing to fool yourself, but there are lots of conservative posters on FR who might be inclined to support Perry but have concerns about the Gardasil mandate, and are not fooled by the 'for the children' routine.

Maybe you could try the radical concept of admitting Perry made a mistake on the mandate and showing where he said he learned from it and will not go there again. Assuming that such exists.

50 posted on 07/03/2011 6:09:47 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It is you who are spamming Gardasil Perry.

We will stop posting WHEN he addresses this
issue which he now owns.


51 posted on 07/03/2011 6:10:47 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: dirtboy
All good governors make mistakes in one form or another. (Reagan made many blunders of his own.) The fact that this issue turned out like it did, was obviously a learning experience for Perry. That still does not make him a bad governor. Perry has done much better things that are not being addressed here.

America can benefit from having a hands on executive running it for a change. As hated as Bush was, there was much that went on behind the curtains that many here know little to nothing about. Bush did a lot while in office and was one of the most active and busy Presidents we have ever had. (And got pretty much zero credit for what he did.)

Unlike Obama who hires Czars to do the office work for him, so that he can go on vacations, golfing and campaigning.

52 posted on 07/03/2011 6:11:45 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: normy

How about the money which was made off of Merck stock,
which his family and friends KNEW
was coming from his FASCIST IMPOSITION
before the public?

Should we go there?

How much income from stock was made from FORE KNOWLEDGE?

Perhaps that is legal in Texas,
in the USA, not so much.


53 posted on 07/03/2011 6:14:16 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
The fact that this issue turned out like it did, was obviously a learning experience for Perry.

Well, if it was obviously a learning experience for Perry, perhaps the Perry supporters can show where Perry has acknowledged such. It would go a long way for me to put the mandate issue aside (contrasted to Romney who still refused to acknowledge that Romneycare was a mistake - something that dooms his candidacy).

Realize that, fairly or not, Perry has to separate himself from Bush and his notion of compassionate conservatism. The Gardisil mandate is probably one of the actions Perry has taken that is closest to that concept. It cannot be buried with the hope that it will just go away.

That still does not make him a bad governor. Perry has done much better things that are not being addressed here.

I agree. That's why, IMO, a better approach would be to show where Perry has learned from the mandate mistake. He has a lot of positives, but spewing DNC-grade for the children validations don't do anything to put the Gardasil issue to rest.

54 posted on 07/03/2011 6:17:46 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Diogenesis
Merck gave close to 60 million last decade to politicians and pacs. The extreme nature with which the anti-Perry (pro-who?) forces have tried to paint this guy as a complete slime ball, no good, fake is crazy. Most reasonable people don't even believe that about Romney, now Perry sounds worse than Romney, yet his 10 year record as governor of the most productive state in the union doesn't jive with that. I say someone who has their hopes pinned on another candidate is simply trying to destroy Perry, “little girls as guinea pigs?” instead of promoting their own candidate.
55 posted on 07/03/2011 6:19:39 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: dirtboy

You want ME to admit someone’s “mistake?”

That assumes I speak for someone else.

I report what is out there.

Rick Perry’s actions are there for you to see and for me to see. His entire life is an open book.

He wanted a sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer combated.

He felt there was a need for everyone to have the vaccine available (it was opt-out if not wanted) to all women free of HPV virus.

The people of Texas strongly objected to his executive order.

90 days later Perry allowed the legislation that removed his EO.

But you want ME to admit he made a mistake.

What next? Reeds to flog myself?


56 posted on 07/03/2011 6:20:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dirtboy

But truthfully FRiend, is this really that big of an issue?

I believe it would be better to go on to bigger, more important things. We face much bigger problems than nit picking on small errors like this.

Perry has the experience and the ability to turn this Government around, as well as the economy. This whole “Gardasil” issue is like drowning man complaining about it raining while he is going down for the last time.


57 posted on 07/03/2011 6:27:01 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

They want a different GOP primary candidate than Perry and so they will flood every thread with these posts.


58 posted on 07/03/2011 6:28:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And the Mods let them get away with the nastiest of behavior. (Just a simple fact.)


59 posted on 07/03/2011 6:32:14 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
But you want ME to admit he made a mistake.

Yeah, it would be good for you to admit such. And maybe post a link to where Perry admits such.

Because it would show that maybe you are not being a RINO apologist like you were with Rudy last time. And that Perry has learned from the mistake, because if he gets to DC, I really don't want a guy who thinks mandates are OK but he just lost politically with Gardasil. I want to see that he now strongly opposes mandates of the kind we saw with Gardasil. And I ain't the only one on FR who feels that way.

You have an advantage with Perry - opposition among conservatives with Perry is much lighter than it was with Rudy. But pretending that Perry doesn't have a few warts is no way to overcome that opposition (Gardasil pun intended).

Like I said earlier in this thread, Perry is probably my second choice behind Palin, and I don't think Palin will get in if Perry does. So I am willing to support him. But I find your method of advocacy for Perry to be the same lame kind of crap we saw you pulling in 2007 with Rudy - pretend the warts don't exist and attack those who disagree.

60 posted on 07/03/2011 6:34:22 AM PDT by dirtboy
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