Posted on 07/02/2011 6:14:27 AM PDT by ex-Texan
What are you talking about? The issue is not number of people in the workforce, but total economic productivity as a consequence of labor AND capital investment. It was almost unimaginable that the Chinese would not grow ecomically relative to the US.
As for a shooting war with China, I think you are certificably insane. It is in no one's interest. We are overstretched and cannot afford another major entanglement and the Chinese don't want to give us an excuse to repudiate our debt.
Put it this way, China needs people.
Where are they going to get them? Vietnam.
Do you think China isn’t already noticing that they don’t have enough people to run their industries? That their labour costs are beginning to spike?
Nothing that’s sold in the US will be made in china, the cheaper stuff will be made elsewhere, and the more expensive stuff will be made elsewhere.
So Andy, do you benefit economically, in a personal way, either through investing or importing for free trade with China? Perhaps you work for a multi nation corp with ties with China? Disclosure please.
“The issue is not number of people in the workforce, but total economic productivity as a consequence of labor AND capital investment. It was almost unimaginable that the Chinese would not grow ecomically relative to the US.”
Believe it. China’s back is up against the wall unless it can make up it’s labour shortage. Already, they are dependent on economic migrants, and if they choose to stay home rather than work in China, then there’s no reason for China not to pay them a visit.
China’s already decided what to do with it’s US treasuries. Sell them off. Take the loss, buy into the Euro, and take the loss there. But, they are going to invade Vietnam and their neighbours and they will probably go to war with the US.
Maybe I’m insane, maybe I’m not.
“The bigger strategic picture is that we are going bankrupt trying to police the world and we are making a lot of enemies doing so. “
Don’t but that one for a second. If we ceased ALL defense spending today we’d still be running a big deficit. The money’s going somewhere else.
Part of their 100 million dollar nest egg!
Thank you, Bill Clinton. The Chinese donors to Clinton’s re-election campaign sure got their money’s worth. Idiot Halfbright must be dancing with joy that we will no longer be the world’s only super power.
“Those are weapons that know no boundaries. And they are a huge threat to us. We very much don’t want to be out there by ourselves as the organizer and the only superpower,” she said. “People don’t believe that. They think we just want to be king of the hill, but we do not.” — Madeleine Albright, TRAITOR.
All need to remember the “quality” seen everyday with Chink knockoffs.
Yes they can produce some level of quality, but only when forced to do so by USA managers. On their own the “Chinese quality” sneaks back in. Example, USA sold Chinese made pipe fittings look remarkedly the same as ones made here, compare to any Chinese made pipe fitting sold outside the USA, which are pure junk.
We should take any Chinese high tech threat with a grain of salt.
bump stolen technology/China/Clinton/motorola/Loral
Re: China’s “carrier killer,” the DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile that can destroy American ships, had a unique origin: its base technology was pilfered from U.S. military trash during the 1990s, according to recent revelations by a Chinese military analyst.
Man!!! Again!!!???
I mean Wow! This has to be the umptieth time that I had come across this topic. Boring boring boring. Yawn...
Please excuse my ignorance, but, could it simply be that [theoretically and laboratory-wise] that the chance probability of this thing (DF-21D) to do exactly what it says it does is potentially for real and that the realities of it is in the upper 90+ percentage point ranges???
What pain!!! The question we keep on missing when we endlessly stake claims and take credits for whatever the ChiComs comes up with is this:
“If we are so freakin’ sensitive about these so deemed threatening ChiCom technologies, which mentally speaking we always retort [as cheap and obsolete Chinese toasters anyhow], why then didn’t we ourselves exploited it as we do every other cutting edge technology — if the technology is indeed of US sources?”
Truth and reality: If we would’ve taken advantage of the opportunities existing and make a big $$$-wise killing out of it in the same time by selling the ChiComs our toys as we do here http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110701/wl_nm/us_russia_india_submarine instead of forcing them to painstakenly fiddle around with their own Wright Brother’s fiddlers; they would not have had the inklings to mess around with discarded spare automotive parts to try and put together their own R2-D2’s hence will be devoided of the knowhow andthe technicality to bang together R2-D2’s of their own; so why are we b*tchin when what happened was that we had forced them into it anyhow???
I mean how typical of us!
The reality is that if China is given a technological toy it will probably clone it quickly. In the post Cold War world, neither Russia nor India commonly do this — they aren’t rich enough.
The last capitalist will be hanged with a nice, new rope he sold to his killers.
There is a point in there somewhere. I just can't see to find it. Have you been hitting the keg early?
We have multiple-warhead cruise missiles? I was thinking of a predator-type drone loaded up with hellfire missiles, but the predator itself was also a warhead. As far as I know, that's not a cruise missile.
China is so screwed. Their demographics make Japan and Italy look like incubators.
China will have a civil war in the next 5 years.
Not to say America isn't a mess. We need to clean our own house, but don't think for a minute China is in a position to start a war with anybody.
Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan, The Philippines, Thailand etc... Nobody in Asia is looking for Chines Hegemony.
One b52 from Guam would sink the whole Chinese navy.
India is going to stand by and watch China?
China wants to project outward power because China can't project inward power. They have a 5,000 year history of fucking up a two car funeral.
America doesn't need to have an enemy. It doesn't need to second guess itself. Let the rest of the ankle biters steal our shit and try to claim parity. They'll always lose.
I live in China btw.
To: Cincinatus’ Wife
I knew a carrier-killer missile was on the way and when I posted it 5 years ago, I was derided for it. Now that a 4 star general is saying it, there isn’t likely to be much derision.
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Posted by Kevin OMalley to nickcarraway On News/Activism
01/12/2005 12:07:37 PM PST · 17 of 25
Here is my swag on what is going to happen in Taiwan, posted on an earlier thread,
“China Rapidly Modernizes for War With U.S.”.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285398/posts
1) The one-child policy has created a testosterone-rich generation the likes of which no one on earth has ever seen. China will have an entire army of what they call “little dictators” who have few prospects of finding women, and they will be very aggressively pushing their old-guard superiors for action on the Taiwan issue. The final straw will be that they’ll be promised wives when they invade Taiwan.
2) Their army is as much as 200 Million strong, which was the size predicted in Revelation in the Bible, called “The Kings of the East.” They can afford casualties in the range of 10 million, which is 5 times bigger than our army ever was. China has some unfinished business with Vietnam, having fought to a standoff in 1979. They might do a run through Vietnam first so that their troups are more battle-hardened and arrogant, knowing that the US didn’t exactly win there. The added bonus is they get one of the largest warm water ports in the world.
3) Taiwan has never declared independence. It’s not like the brave Estonians standing up to Russia when communism fell. They’re like an impudent child claiming to have sovereignty over China. Their fatal miscalculation is that they know they’ll need Americans to fight for them if they are in a war, but Americans will be reluctant to shed blood for an ally that didn’t have the courage to declare independence until they were invaded on an “internal dispute”. The chinese will hammer away at this in the press.
4) Chinese weapons policy has been to cycle through older generations of weaponry and stay about one generation behind the latest stuff. They sold their old silkworm missiles to the Iranians and used that money to upgrade their newer missiles, which are inferior to US missiles but they only need to be functional. The plan is to overwhelm defenses with superior numbers. No ship can stand up to 50 supersonic silkworm missiles aimed at it. They have similar tactics for other systems, such as anti aircraft missiles.
5) The chinese went up against Americans in Korea. They sent in 300 thousand infantry up against a much smaller American force. The key was that they only had rifles for about 1 in 5 personnel. So they would tell one to go as far as he could till he got shot, then the 2nd one would pick up the rifle & keep charging, and so on. Today, every one of those infantrymen has an automatic rifle. They are not as well equipped as their US counterparts but they can afford a lot of casualties. Vietnam, Iraq, Somalia and other engagements proved that you can’t replace feet on the ground with air superiority. No matter how advanced the air force is nor how many smart bombs get dropped, the US won’t be able to dislodge a standing army without sending in massive troup numbers and experiencing casualties. If our press made a big deal about losing 1000 US soldiers in Iraq, they’ll have a heydey with 500 thousand casualties. Seeing the press reaction emboldens the Chinese.
6) China is building a blue-water navy including submarines. They might be able to achieve a standoff in the surrounding ocean, limiting the ability to resupply american troups while the chinese troups will pillage Taiwan. Once America loses 2 nuclear powered aircraft carriers (with the resulting radioactive plumes), the calculation is that the U.S. will lose stomach for more fighting.
7) The trick to defeating these strategies with minimal casualties will be special forces operating in Taiwan. They will need to have the ability to direct standoff weapons fire onto individual tanks and squad units in order to be effective.
8) The most likely outcome will be that Taiwan will be a giant pile of rubble. Casualties could run as high as WWII. If China wins, it could be a Pyrrhic victory. If the US wins, it will take a whole generation to repair and rebuild. I think the Chinese view towards weakness or perceived weakness is a little bit like how Germany viewed the U.S. after we sent 10,000 men wandering in the hills to find Pancho Villa, to no avail. The Germans perceived it as weakness and went ahead with their war plans.
9 posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:47:37 PM by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
14 posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:12:22 AM by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn’t make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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I think we have cruise missiles with cluster munition dispensers. Close enough.
But drones with expensive sensor packages are not disposable.
YUP.
I AGREE.
By design as ordered.
Though, mystifyingly a FREEPER working in the field claimed that didn’t happen. I could never quite ‘get it’ as to how they could make such a claim.
I’d like to go over each point, but I’m drunk. China is the oldest country on earth and they’re poor.
They have a generation of spoiled little debutants. Not the war machine you speak of. These kids are lost and angry that they can’t marry a nice girl and have a nice place to live. They’re not some brainless army like you think.
They’re a generation of kids who have worked hard and the shitty commie government hasn’t delivered. Most likely they’ll turn on them. If America was America under Reagan, we would be fomenting that sentiment. Unfortunately America is under the influence of a muslim marxist.
The Vietnamese slaughterd the Chinese in 1978. What’s your point?
The Taiwanese have missilles pointed at every major city in China and the Three Gorges Dam.
You speak of phyrric victories. China is the crownef champion of pyrrhic victories and they will get nothing more.
Give me one situation where china wins anything? They would get cremated by a country a 50th of their size.
They have no ability to project power outside of forcing their enemy to initiate total annihilation.
Nope. They are the competition. And denying they are there or that they are very good at many things won't make them go away.
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