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To: reaganaut

“So, killing your mother is a better choice? Are you for real?”

So spending $200,000 to artificially maintain a breathing corpse is “real”?

Typically a person will die within 6 months from the time the heroic efforts are initiated. The patient would have died a normal death but the family decide to expend a huge amount of money to no avail, usually against the wishes of the person who knows they are dying. Nobody is “killed”.

In Europe, if the dying patient so wishes, their death can be assisted in order to avoid further agony and degradation. In America, if an older person wants to avoid heroics, basically they have to stay home and flop around on the floor like a dying carp or they blow their brains out which really puts a guilt trip on the family.

I personally tried very hard to follow my parents living will but was fought every step of the way by medical professionals who said one thing while making every effort to maximize their profits. Life is not simple, neither is death.


53 posted on 07/01/2011 1:01:37 PM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: TxDas

Why do you artifically make the only two choices:

1. Spend tons of money doing needless tests and procedures in a vain attempt to live forever

and

2. Killing the elderly and sick

Looks like you’re just making excuses to be able to promote killing the elderly and sick.


54 posted on 07/01/2011 1:15:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: TxDas
You are creating false arguments and using hyperbole and lies to promote euthanasia. As though the only choices are "kill the old sick person" or "force the old sick person to undergo expensive testing and procedures they can't afford and don't want".

Life is not simple, neither is death.

You think you're the only one who has taken care of the sick, the elderly or helped aged relatives in their last days, weeks or months?

55 posted on 07/01/2011 1:18:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: TxDas; All

This is about dementia, what you were promoting euthanasia for, not about vegetative states first of all.

Second, you are using hyperbole to pomote legalized murder and to support your won twisted views.

And, my mother’s life is worth more than money. Anyone’s is. It is worth more than being inconvenienced which is what your posts belie as your real motivation for supporting Euthanasia.

A dementia patient isn’t artificially kept alive, they are living human beings who have a mental derogatory disease. There are things as DNR and medical directives for a reason and thus it is a false dichotomy to claim they want or MUST be killed b/c of the cost. Also, your claim that they have to ‘flop around’ is a flat out LIE you are perpetuating in order to support your flawed theory.

May God have mercy on your soul, because you are the one who thinks doctors and others have the right to usurp His authority and play God by killing others.


57 posted on 07/01/2011 1:51:08 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: TxDas

BTW, do you have a DNR or medical directive specifying what measures anca or cannot be used? Or are you so selfish as to expect your family to make decisions your refuse to?


58 posted on 07/01/2011 1:53:30 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: TxDas; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
So spending $200,000 to artificially maintain a breathing corpse is “real”?

Hey troll, living people ARE NOT "corpses."

In Europe, if the dying patient so wishes, their death can be assisted in order to avoid further agony and degradation.

So troll it seems you WANT to follow Europe's socialist lead.

Life is not simple, neither is death.

Actually it is very simple, we are conceived by GOD and our lives end when GOD decides.

59 posted on 07/01/2011 3:49:52 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: TxDas
So spending $200,000 to artificially maintain a breathing corpse is “real”?

Can you not see the difference between extending life by artificial means and taking a life through a deliberate action?

96 posted on 07/02/2011 7:03:12 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (When life gives you lemons, throw them back and demand chocolate.)
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To: TxDas

“Life is not simple, neither is death.”

I disagree; life, and death, are usually quite simple until you arrogant elitists get involved and try to tell everyone else what to think!

JC


114 posted on 07/02/2011 7:57:58 PM PDT by cracker45
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