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Caliphate Conferences Across the Globe Including U.S.
New American ^ | 6/29/11 | Raven Clabough

Posted on 06/29/2011 7:10:40 PM PDT by Nachum

International political group Hizb ut-Tahrir (logo at left) will be hosting a “Khilafah Conference” in the United Kingdom on July 9th, one that will promote the ideas of a world governed by Islamic law. Now the group just announced that it will host yet another one of those conferences in the Netherlands on July 3rd. (Snip) Though many scoffed at the possibility of a caliphate, it seems that there are many radicals pushing for such a thing. The organization behind the conference, Hizb ut-Tahrir — meaning “Party of Liberation” — is an international political group that seeks to bring about

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To: caww; Elendur

Elendur’s posts are sometimes like this, but that was a quote from obama. El is making the point that we Jews and Christians are the complete opposite of islam...we want freedom and democracy, they will kill for their ideology...the Pilgrims came here for religious freedom...and that obama defends islam. ///is the quoted stuff at the start.


21 posted on 06/29/2011 8:24:19 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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To: caww

and yes, i WAS giving it from their point of view.

if you misunderstand your enemy, you make mistakes, and can fail to find the best solution.

they are fanatics. but they are not crazy.
Sun-Tzu says victory is more certain, if you know your enemy.
MOST FReepers dislike Islam, but few truly understand it.

Islam IS my enemy. it IS the religion of Satan, as i have said MANY times on FR.
...and to learn more about my enemy (and, other reasons, i explain in this link below), i was INSIDE a masjid.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2736487/posts

i was on the OTHER SIDE of the Taquiyya wall.

So i know the truth, up close and personal. So i can better argue, against C.A.I.R. and liberal apologists, who speak falsely about a “tiny minority of extremists” who “misunderstand” their own religion.


22 posted on 06/29/2011 8:25:39 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

And he has proven it over and over and over. G-d is watching.


23 posted on 06/29/2011 8:27:01 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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To: merryberry

Beck preaches non violence. And I agree that I would never instigate anything. But Beck says to be armed. I have one question. Who does think I’m going to have to shoot? I have my oppinion. I just want to know what he thinks.


24 posted on 06/29/2011 8:28:32 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: MestaMachine; Elendur
and i KNOW what Imams will tell you in private, because i DID. i was INSIDE a masjid for months, on the OTHER side of the “taquiyya” wall. i know EXACTLY what i’m talking about, because i was THERE.

Picked this up on one of their other posts...so looks like He's had the inside scoop... Thank you for seeing thru the fog Mesta...

25 posted on 06/29/2011 8:29:34 PM PDT by caww
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To: SVTCobra03

Right on! But bankrupt America should be number two.


26 posted on 06/29/2011 8:30:18 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: All

Just today I came to the conclusion that the safest place to live in America is next door to a mosque. The attacks are only planned there. They’ll take place somewhere else.


27 posted on 06/29/2011 8:33:08 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

The “arab spring” IS a sunni-shia war. Make no mistake about it.


28 posted on 06/29/2011 8:34:14 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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To: Nachum; SatinDoll
HIZB UT-TAHRIR --- Internationally Banned Menace Makes Their Public Debut In The United States




Currently outlawed as a terrorist group in nearly every country in the world in which it has tried to settle, HIZB UT-TAHRI, a radical international Sunni network dedicated to establishing an international Islamic State, or caliphate, held its first American, public coming-out convocation on July 19, 2009 in the posh Grand Ballroom of the Oak Lawn Hilton Hotel in --- where else?---Chicago, IL.

Operating clandestinely in the U.S. for decades, Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT), entitled its first public conference, "The Fall of Capitalism and the Rise of Islam. HT's first effort to openly win recruits gathered an audience of 300 into the packed ballroom " to listen to HT ideologues blame capitalism for World War I and World War II; the U.S. subprime mortgage meltdown; the current violence in Iraq and Afghanistan; world poverty and malnutrition and inner-city drug use."



HIZB UT-TAHRI Founded in 1953 by Sheikh Taqiuddin al-Nabhani

The organization was founded in 1953 in Jerusalem by Islamic scholar and appeals court judge Sheikh Taqiuddin al-Nabhani, born in 1909 born in the village of Ijzim, within the district of Haifa. His father, Yusuf al-Nabhani, was also a scholar of Islamic jurisprudence, and worked as a lecturer in Islamic Law or Shari’ah. His mother mastered the Islamic sciences and was also an Islamic scholar. She had been taught by her father, the famous Ottoman poet, Islamic scholar, and Islamic judge Sheikh Yusuf an-Nabhani, who was appointed as judge at different Shariah courts in Jenin, Constantinople, Mosul, Latakia, Jerusalem and Beirut.

Al-Nabhani studied Islamic Law at Cairo's Al-Azhar University, the most important Islamic institution in Egypt and the intellectual bulwark of Islam.

The new party was described as "a political party with Islam as its ideology and the goal of resuming an Islamic way of life by establishing an Islamic state (Caliphate) which will implement Islam (through Sharia law) and propagate it worldwide." "Al-Nabhani was one of the first Arab intellectuals to argue the case for a modern political party using the constructs of Islamic discourse," writes Suha Taji-Farouki in her book "A Fundamental Quest."

Discover the Networks: The Ideology of Hizb-ut-Tahrir

Hizb-ut-Tahrir (Arabic for "The Party of Liberation") ... defines itself as "a political group and not a priestly one," a "political party whose ideology is Islam, so politics is its work and Islam is its ideology." It "works within the Ummah [community of believers] ... so that she adopts Islam as her cause and is led to restore the Khilafah [Caliphate, or Islamic kingdom] and the ruling by what Allah revealed."

Rejecting Western notions of both democracy and capitalism as tools that allegedly have led to the colonization and subjugation of Islamic nations, Hizb-ut-Tahrir's long-term objective is to replace existing governments with theocratic Muslim rule and to bring about a worldwide Islamic government under a single ruler (caliph). In such an ideal Islamic state, says Hizb-ut-Tahrir, "all of life's affairs in society are administered according to the Shari'ah rules," or strict Islamic law.

Hizb-ut-Tahrir states that it accepts "Muslim men and women as its members regardless of whether they are Arab or non-Arab, white or coloured, since it is a party for all Muslims."



[MANIFESTO]

In its self-description, Hizb-ut-Tahrir declares: "Its work is not educational, as it is not a school, nor is its work concerned with giving sermons and preaching. Rather its work is political.... " Moreover, the organization professes a devotion to "the struggle against the disbelieving imperialists, to deliver the Ummah from their domination and to liberate her from their influence by uprooting their intellectual, cultural, political, economic and military roots from all of the Muslim countries."

Hizb-ut-Tahrir asserts that while it "does not use material power to defend itself or as a weapon against the rulers," nevertheless "jihad has to continue till the Day of Judgement." "So whenever the disbelieving enemies attack an Islamic country," says Hizb, "it becomes compulsory on its Muslim citizens to repel the enemy. The members of Hizb-ut-Tahrir in that country are a part of the Muslims and it is obligatory upon them … to fight the enemy and repel them."



EARLY HISTORY OF HIZB UT-TAHRIR

Al-Nabhani was an active member of the Muslim Brotherhood,founded in Egypt in 1928 and the forerunner of modern radical Islamic groups. But he broke with the Brotherhood when it moved towards cooperation with the secular authorities in Cairo. While the Brotherhood became a potent opposition force in Syria and Egypt, HT took a more subversive path.

The Muslim Brotherhood regarded Hizb ut-Tahrir as a new rival. But Al-Nabhani was close to Haj Amin Al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, whom he had first met in the 1930s.

Al-Husseini was among those who financially supported Hizb ut-Tahrir in the 1950s. The Jordanian government did not like the close ideological ties between Hizb ut-Tahrir and Haj Amin Al-Husseini, an arch-enemy of the moderate Jordanian Hashemites.

Transjordanian Emir Abdallah firmly sided with Britain during World War II. Al–Husseini, however, sided with Nazi Germany. He met Hitler in November 1941 and the Nazis granted him policial asylum paying him a monthly "salary' of 20,000 Reichsmark for rallying Muslims in the Balkans, North Africa and the Middle behind the Nazi cause."



In 1955 Taqiuddin al-Nabhani left Jordan, where he had been living, to travel to Damascus and Beirut. Banned from returning to Jordan, he lived in Syria and then Lebanon. In 1973, he traveled to Iraq, where he was imprisoned and tortured. He died in Beirut on December 20, 1977.

The group first appeared in Jordan and Saudi Arabia. It then proceeded to expand the delivery of the da’wah naturally until it began to function in many Arab countries and also in non-Arab Muslim countries as well. The rulers in Iraq, Syria, Libya and others have killed dozens of its members. The prisons of Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya and Tunisia are full of its members.

There is little information on the number of its members. It is active all over the world. Hizb ut-Tahrir now has its main base in Western Europe, but it has large followings in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Kazakhstan, as well as in China's traditionally Muslim Xinjiang Province. Most of its members are believed to be ethnic Uzbeks. Its expansion into Central Asia coincided with the breakup of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s. By one estimate there are more than 10,000 followers in Central Asia. Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami has been active in Central Asia since the breakup of the Soviet Union.



ABD AL-QADIM ZALLUM (no photo available)

Succeeding al-Nabhani was Abd al-Qadim Zallum (Abdul Kaddim Zalloum) a Jordanian national of Palestinian descent. He graduated from Al-Azhar University.

Under Zallum, Hizb Ut Tahrir sent a delegation to Paris to meet Ayatollah Khomeini before his return to Iran. Two further delegations were later sent to Tehran to meet the new Iranian leader there. The last delegation arrived in Tehran in May 1979 and presented Khomeini with Hizb ut-Tahrir's proposed "constitution for an Islamic state." But Khomeini had his own ideas about such a state and showed no interest in the proposals. Subsequently, frustrated Hizb ut-Tahrir leaders denounced the Iranian leader as "a virtual American agent."

In the second half of 1980s and 1990s the movement followed the strategy of taking advantage of the resurgence of Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle East, Asia, Europe and Australia. Hizb ut-Tahrir spread to many countries and developed a particular strong base in Uzbekistan where it cooperated with Al-Qaeda.

They also have a strong base in Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, China's Xinjiang Province, North Africa (Tunesia, Libya, Egypt), Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, the Gulf States, Turkey, Pakistan and Australia.

(In Turkey, Hizb ut-Tahrir members were accused of "undermining the state" and sentenced to four years in August 2000; in Australia, Hizb ut-Tahrir heightens tensions among Muslims and endangers their integration into society.)

The party or movement is organized like a fascist party, loyalty to the leadership ("Amirs" of "Emirs") is absolute. It is also a kind of totalitarian brotherhood operating through cells.

Members are obliged to give one tenth of their income to the party and swear an oath:

"I swear by God Almighty to be loyal to Islam and to defend it, to embrace Hizb ut-Tahrir's opinions and constitution, to have confidence in its leadership, and to implement its resolutions, even if they are contrary to my own opinion, as long as I remain a member."


ATA ABU RASHTA (no photo available)

When Zallum died in 2003, he was succeeded by the current global leader, Ata Abu Rashta (full name Abu Yasin Ata ibn Khalil Abu Rashta), a scholar who was born in Hebron in 1943.

In 1948, as the result of the first Israeli Arab war, his family fled to a refugee camp near Hebron. Following his attendence in school there, he completed his secondary education at the Ibrahimiya school in East Jerusalem. Rashta then joined the Faculty of Engineering at Cairo University in Egypt and graduated in civil engineering in 1966. After graduating, Ata Abu-Rashta worked in a number of Arab countries as a civil engineer and wrote a book concerning the calculation of quantities in relation to the construction of buildings and roads.

Ata Abu-Rashta joined Hizb-ut-Tahrir in the early 60s’ and integrated in the party’s activity all over the Arab World. He worked closely with Taqiuddin al Nabhani, the founder of Hizbu-ut-Tahrir, whom he knew from East Jerusalem, and with Abd al-Qadim Zallum, who became the leader of Hizb-ut-Tahrir following Nabhani's death in 1977. In the 1980s he was a leading member of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Jordan and was appointed as the organization's first official spokesperson.

Very little is known about Rashti, including his current whereabouts. He is believed by some to live in a secret location in the Middle East and by others, in London, where he has a considerable powerbase. Although he has spoken at conferences in Indonesia, Pakistan, Yemen and Britain, no photo of him could be located for this report.

He communicates mainly by internet and has his own website.

In a 1994 interview, Ata Abu-Rashta said, "The establishment of the Caliphate is now a general demand among Muslims, who yearn for this. Before Hizb-ut-Tahrir launched its career the subject of the Caliphate was unheard of.”

Ata Abu-Rashta he was imprisoned in February 1997 for three years for treason for an interview published in 1995 in the journal al-Hiwar (Conversation). He was later imprisoned for a further six months for membership of an 'unlicensed organization'. Ata Abu-Rashta was designated a ‘prisoner of conscience’ by Amnesty International after his detention by the Jordanian authorities in the 1990s’.



THE AMERICAN FACE OF HIZB UT TAHRIR
or, Taking It Home To Chicago


Dr JALEEL ABDUL-ADIL

On August 4, 2007, Hizb UK held a conference at Alexandra Palace in north London. A poorly-made video presentation (available on YouTube) which advertised the conference attempts to show the global unity of Hizb ut-Tahrir. Using snippets of video and pictures from websites, HT activists are shown from the following countries: Pakistan Bangladesh, Switzerland, Jordan, UAE, Palestine, Jordan, Yemen, Turkey, Belgium, Indonesia, Australia and America.

What is striking from the image from America is that it shows only one individual (pictured), rather than a group.... It is Dr Jaleel Abdul-Adil, a convert to Islam, who is now the "new face" of American Hizb ut-Tahrir (HTA). He spoke at the August conference in Britain. Jaleel Abdul-Adil is a professor at the University of Illinois in Chicago. Like Dr Abdul Wahid, the spokesman for the British branch of HT, he is a psychiatrist.

At UIC, he works in the area of juvenile disorders, and is part of the Disruptive Behavior Disorders Clinic. He is also an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology. According to Abdul-Adil's resume, he specializes in "evidence-based, culturally-sensitive family therapy for urban youth, including conduct disorder and oppositional defiant disorder, gang involvement, and inner-city violence. "

"Dr. Abdul-Adil is the co-founder of Young Warriors, a youth intervention program that uses modern rap music and hip-hop media to promote critical thinking and prosocial skills in urban adolescents. He remains involved in developing other innovative youth interventions such as using movie and television materials and faith-based collaborations with local religious institutions."

Abdul-Adil also dispenses online Islamic psychological advice, on CrescentLife.com. A video of Abdul-Adil giving a lecture on Islam can be found on YouTube.
LINKS here



Dr Jaleel Abdul-Adil also was a conference speaker at the July 19th Hizb ut-Tahrir event at the Hilton Hotel in Oak Lawn, IL. Although a speaker's schedule was not available for the conference, IPT News did obtain his name in order to report the following:

Hizb ut-Tahrir's efforts to rehabilitate its image won't be helped by the menacing tone on display Sunday. One late-afternoon panelist suggested that modern industrial powers could fall to Muslims the way Mecca fell to Mohammed nearly 1,400 years ago.

A speaker identified by conference organizers as Imam Jaleel Abdul Adil said that "if they offer us the sun, or the moon, or a nice raise, or a passport, or a house in the suburbs or even a place to pray at the job, on the condition that we stop calling for Islam as a complete way of life - we should never do that, ever do that - unless and until Islam becomes victorious or we die in the attempt." (To see the clip, click here.)

Later, the following dialogue ensued between the imam and a member of the audience over whether Shariah or the Constitution should be the supreme law of the land in the United States (click here to see the clip):

Audience member: "Would you get rid of the Constitution for Shariah, yes or no?"

Imam: "Over the Muslim world? Yes, it would be gone."

Audience Member: And so if the United States was a Muslim world, the Constitution would be gone?"

Imam: "If the United States was in the Muslim world, the Muslims who are here would be calling and happy to see the Shariah applied, yes we would."

Audience Member: "And the Constitution gone. That's all."

Imam: "Yes, as Muslims they would be long gone."

While Hizb ut-Tahrir's controversial message attracted demonstrators and some media attention, the group at least is open about its ambitions. It not only is determined to destroy capitalism -- it would shred the United States Constitution as well in favor of Shariah law. SOURCE


In related news: Hizb ut-Tahrir, whom Tony Blair promised to ban, calls for jihad and elimination of Israel at London rally. Dr Imran Waheed, told followers of Hizb ut-Tahrir that there could be "no peace" with Israel and urged them to "fight in the way of Allah." A leaflet distributed by the international wing of the organisation also called for Muslim countries to "eliminate the state of the Jews."

The remarks increased pressure on Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, to ban Hizb ut-Tahrir. Patrick Mercer, the Tory chairman of the Commons Counter-Terrorism Subcommittee, said Dr Waheed's comments appeared to represent "incitement to violence" and accused the Government of performing a U-turn on an earlier commitment to ban it.

Speaking in Downing Street in August 2005, just a month after the London bombings, Mr Blair announced a wider crackdown on extremism, adding: "We will proscribe Hizb ut-Tahrir and the successor organisation of Al Mujahiroun."

JihadWatch


SUMMARY

Hizb-ut Tahrir professes to be non-violent, but its doctrine is virulently anti-western. It openly calls for the elimination of Israel, its adherents "to kill Jews", the "peaceful" overthrow of pro-western "puppet regimes" in the Middle East and the expulsion of all western interests from the region. It envisions achieving these goals through mass action, but eschews involvement in regional politics.

Some former members and sympathisers have been arrested in several countries in recent months on terrorism-related charges. This has raised fears that the party's hardliners have become impatient with what many have perceived as its gradualist approach and long-term strategy. That is a concept that has little appeal for the growing number of young, dispossessed Muslims radicalised by events since 9/11. Some of HT's members have been linked to Al Qaeda, and western governments are becoming increasingly alarmed. Zeyno Baran Zeyno Baran (January 31 1972 - ) is the Director of the Center for Eurasian Policy and a Senior Fellow at the Hudson Institute, a think tank in Washington D.C.. has branded the party "a conveyor belt conveyor belt for terrorists. It indoctrinates individuals with radical ideology, priming them for recruitment by more extreme organisations where they can take part in actual operations."

SOURCE



ONE FINAL NOTE

"Dalia Mogahed, a member of President Obama's Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, joined a representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT) for a television interview in Great Britain on Sunday [Oct 2009].

The Global Muslim Brotherhood Daily Report (GMBDR) noted that Mogahed was interviewed along with Dr. Nasreen Nawaz, women's representative for HT, on the British Muslim show "Muslimah Dilemma," which airs on the Islam Channel. GMBDR described the program as "a show presented by members of Hizb ut-Tahrir" featuring Nawaz "in her capacity as spokesperson" for the group.

In some ways, Mogahed's performance during the 45-minute program (which has been posted to HT's website and can be viewed here) offers a tutorial on how not to make America's case to the Muslim world. Mogahed, who was interviewed by telephone, did not challenge any of the views expressed by Nawaz or HT - including the group's call for establishing an international caliphate and imposition of Islamic law, or sharia, which includes suppression of women's political rights.

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29 posted on 06/29/2011 8:37:53 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Elendur; MestaMachine

My apologies that I misunderstood your post...but I think you might also understand why that was so...as Mesta mentioned “sometimes Elendar’s posts are like that”.

Ok then...now you have my undivided attention. For I am very much aware of the Islamic threat...but surely not from the “inside”. Only from those who have either come out of Islam and writtten about it, or gone in and escaped from it. For the most part just a great deal of research ever since 9/11.

It’s not just understanding Islam...it’s the massive confusion it creates among those who believe it. You almost have to twist your own mind to understand where they are coming from.

I am going now to read the link you left here...


30 posted on 06/29/2011 8:40:12 PM PDT by caww
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To: MestaMachine

Can you enlarge somewhat on this Mesta...It’s also good to have a refresher course on the Shia-Sunni divide as it is today....but will they unite just the same for the greater cause of Islam on a greater stage?


31 posted on 06/29/2011 8:44:02 PM PDT by caww
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To: Elendur

It seems we haven’t been able to make the point strongly enough. You, I, and many others have been trying for years to undo the damage bush did by proclaiming islam a religion of peace. I think some Americans are finally waking up, even as our own military and government is instilling the “virtues” of islam into its ranks. We are in so much danger.


32 posted on 06/29/2011 8:47:06 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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To: my small voice

Thread from 2009

Islamic Supremacist Group Holds First U.S. Conference
Fox News ^ | 7/17/09 | Diane Macedo

Posted on 07/17/2009 6:24:16 AM PDT by my small voice

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2294691/posts

“A group committed to establishing an international Islamic empire and reportedly linked to Al Qaeda is stepping up its Western recruitment efforts by holding its first official conference in the U.S.

Hizb ut-Tahrir is a global Sunni network with reported ties to confessed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Al Qaeda in Iraq’s onetime leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

It has operated discreetly in the U.S. for decades. Now, it is coming out of the shadows and openly hosting a July 19 conference entitled, “The Fall of Capitalism and the Rise of Islam,” at a posh Hilton hotel in a suburb of Chicago.”


33 posted on 06/29/2011 8:52:12 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm; caww

Guess it’s time to get TM back up to speed. Starting after the 4h, will do.


34 posted on 06/29/2011 8:52:25 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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To: MestaMachine

Our ship of state is taking in so much water, one TM thread barely seems adequate. Ruminating on an idea. Will Freepmail tomorrow.


35 posted on 06/29/2011 9:03:33 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm

Okey dokey. I think the same thing. too much going on in too many places. One thread like that gets too confusing. I figured out a way to add a search for ALL the TM threads past and present. We’ll talk.


36 posted on 06/29/2011 9:08:29 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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To: Nachum

Why don’t we print up posters announcing that the international Caliopy Conference is being held at the same place and the same time?

That would blow a few minds.


37 posted on 06/29/2011 9:42:17 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Terry Mross

my son has a bb gun he is 21 but i dont think he has bbs. but its a threat of LAST resort. we are stocked up 1/2 way that we should be with canned and dry food. We want to add a freezer but theres no room in my or my sons room for meat freezer. As for macaroni and sauce ingredients we have two years worth (hubby italian) large tuna, need more peanut butter..Dinty Moore. plenty of veggies, condensed milk, rice salt. Loads of soap, tp, toothpaste and brushes. other non food stuffs. If it comes down, we’re ready if not we’ll be eating cheaper food and using cheaper toiletries(hope)


38 posted on 06/29/2011 10:30:44 PM PDT by merryberry (believes gb but hopes he is wrong. and so far he isnt...)
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To: Elendur

We don’t force democracy down people’s throats; they either crave liberty, or they do not. The Muslims believe in conversion by the sword. The gulf between the two practices is enormous!

I suspect Muslims believed 9/11 would so shock the U.S.A., that we would immediately see that Islam was the only way, and mass convert. We didn’t cave, crumple, and convert.

I’m all for turning Mecca into a glass covered parking lot if another attack like that occurs. I know wealthy Saudis are supporting global terrorism.

Just so you know, I had a Top Secret Clearance and worked an intelligence desk for the U.S.Navy, covering the Med, North Africa, and the Middle East. I know the history of the region and understand the religion and the politics. That doesn’t mean I have to like them.


39 posted on 06/29/2011 10:35:49 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: thouworm

“HT ideologues blame capitalism for...world poverty and malnutrition and inner-city drug use.”

Poverty, malnutrition, and drug use have existed millenia, long before the U.S. became able to project global power.

Arabs are one of the few ethnic groups who can believe two entirely contradictory statements, claiming both to be truth.


40 posted on 06/29/2011 10:41:04 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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