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To: Maine Mariner

Jews always vote Democrat as a group preference.....since they got here in the post bellum waves

Prior to that...at least in Dixie...they voted just like other white men....Democrat again..just more...much more socially conservative and they were almost as agricultural and mimicked similar lifestyle and mores etc

The newer Jews brought more socialist and anti pluralist mindset with them here....something only a small wonderful minority of them buck at a risk being outstracized by their own

The GOP best with them after Camp David in 1980 but still only 34%

The fact that loyalty to a foreign nation even one I support is what motivates those who switch from time to time to our side...troubles me

Way too many are at the Vanguard of destroying EVERYTHING..I value in our culture thorough their institutional and economic and political power

I know many liberal Jews...scores...believe me..they are of this mindset that cultural...Christian based..conservatism is as big or bigger that than Islam

Jewish conservatives know this better than I

Here is a link to how Jews vote

http://www.njdc.org/site/page/chart_jewish_vote


60 posted on 06/30/2011 8:15:33 AM PDT by wardaddy (Palin or Bachman..either with Marco....but Bachman bashers can kiss my ass)
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To: wardaddy
Way too many [Jews] are at the Vanguard of destroying EVERYTHING I value in our culture through their institutional and economic and political power.

Sounds like you are exaggerating the extent of Jewish economic and political power, and stereotyping as well. Even if all Jews were leftists, which is certainly not the case, there aren't enough total Jews in the country (less than 2% of the population) to have the combined "institutional and economic and political power" to destroy the culture in and of themselves. Surely the vast majority of Obamatons are not Jewish.

As for your charts on Jewish voting, you link to, of all places, to the National Jewish Democratic Council web site, which cites data obtained from the New York Slimes polling. While I'll admit that majorities of Jews usually vote 'Rat, I'd add that the skewed polling techniques used to arrive at those numbers overestimated the 'Rat vote by several points and underestimated the GOP vote by several points. (Poll results tend to be fudged in the direction the poll taker would wish them to be.)

The GOP best with [Jews] after Camp David in 1980 was still only 34%.

Even according to the Democrat-produced table you linked to, it was 39% for Reagan in 1980.

BTW, even according to 'Rat sources, Warren Harding won a plurality of Jewish votes in 1920.

Before the Jews "got here in post bellum waves," mostly from eastern Europe, the majority of Jews in the US were of German extraction, and that cohort voted majority Republican out of respect for the legacy of Lincoln. (I don't think you'd appreciate that as a "Confederate," but it is what it is.)

62 posted on 06/30/2011 9:09:23 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: wardaddy
Most American Jews do not vote according to Israel. Nothing short of a candidate calling for the destruction of Israel would affect this, and even then easily 10% of Jews are antizionists.
Jews who voted against Carter did so for many reasons, just like everyone else. Israel was one reason, so was his foreign policy in general, and his mishandling of the economy.

Polls on Jewish voting tend to ignore Jews who don't live in major metro areas, and a select one at that. in other words 20-30% of Jews are not counted.

68 posted on 06/30/2011 12:01:20 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: wardaddy; rmlew
I know many liberal Jews...scores...believe me..they are of this mindset that cultural...Christian based..conservatism is as big or bigger [threat] than Islam

Sadly true. No group frightens liberal Jews quite like Christian cultural conservatives. It's an irrational fear, considering that the strong Christian cultural influence on American life since our nation's inception hardly impeded the development of Jewish life in the U.S. In fact, it made us the friendliest nation to Jews in history. They essentially fear for their secular leftist causes -- causes that have become their de facto religion. And abortion tops the list.

I know quite a few Dem-voting Jews who are moderate to conservative on many important issues -- guns, taxes, spending, national defense, borders, etc. I always ask "then why the heck do you vote Donkey?" After a bunch of hemming and hawing, the answer invariably flies out of their pieholes --- "abortion.....and gay/minority rights." So it follows that they view social conservatives (most of whom happen to be Christians) as their main political opposition. But of course this is the point of view of all liberals, not just Jewish ones.

Secular Jews hate and fear Torah Judaism as well, which makes sense considering its antagonism to pretty much everything they believe and how they define themselves. You should hear the venom they spew at the West Bank Jewish settlers -- worse than anything I've heard directed at evangelicals. They wouldn't mind seeing them eradicated. ...permanently. By jihadis. Sumbitches. I have a hard time restraining myself from issuing serious (physical) beatdowns after hearing that shiite.

The last thing lib Jews want to hear is the truth --- that the vast majority of rabid anti-Semitism in our country resides on their beloved political Left. Some of the more honest ones grudgingly admit that truth, and it causes them a lot of painful cognitive dissonance.

Btw, rmlew is correct about the pollsters' concentration on Jewish voters in the liberal big cities. So the #s are probably somewhat skewed.

70 posted on 06/30/2011 1:05:22 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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