The Chinese have a few good Kilo-class diesels, the rest of their diesel fleet are clunkers and "generic" diesels mostly good for exercise work and training, and their nukey-boats are noisy as hell and easy meat for Japanese boats equipped with new-generation fire-control equipment.
American naval officers don't call the Japanese Maritime SDF the "Eighth Fleet" for nothing.
Re: Actually, on a qualitative basis, I think the edge has to go to the excellent Japanese diesel-electric flotilla.
Yes, I agree that qualitative wise that Japan is no small potato. I mean these offshoots of the Asian clan have something they can definitely take deep pride: [for a rice-farming-peasantry-of-a-community] akin to that of other Asian mainlander pre-industrial era with not a nail to their technological credit to being that of superpower status world I & II is no small feat.
Re: The Chinese have a few good Kilo-class diesels, the rest of their diesel fleet are clunkers and “generic” diesels mostly good for exercise work and training, and their nukey-boats are noisy as hell and easy meat for Japanese boats equipped with new-generation fire-control equipment.
You mean those sneaky ChiCom boats that popped up right across the bow of the USS Kitty Hawk http://www.sinodaily.com/reports/Chinese_Sub_Approached_US_Aircraft_Carrier_Undetected_999.html ??? One would have thought that the Commander of the Kitty Hawk would have been much much more careful after the first such incident, i.e., an undetected Ming class surprising the Japanese Self Defense force a year previous by popping up right in front of them near Japanese waters.
And yeah! With the USS Imppecable plying the waters of both the South China Sea and the East China Sea, eventually, we’ll find that elusive Chinese Loch Nes monster, the popularly talked about 096 where one class supposedly sports up to 16 launchers and the other 24 launchers.
And those Kilos? They’ve practically been confined to dry dock ever since delivery. My speculation is that they were used as specimens for the development the 041A Yuan class clunker, a boat which no one knew existed until they intentionally let GE lock in on it. Accordingly, this boat has now matured and grown up into a handsome SD-10 firing sibling nick named the Qing class.
Re: American naval officers don’t call the Japanese Maritime SDF the “Eighth Fleet” for nothing.
That term (Eighth Fleet) may hold true for Japan WWII days. But now-a-days, the Japanese navy is no more but a faint shadow cast by the towering US Pacific fleet. The term “Eighth Fleet”, by me, is no more but a way of patronizing the Japanese, a sort of a pad in the back by the US to the Japanese navy just to make them feel important.
The purpose of patronizing the Japanese navy by calling it the “Eights Fleet” amounts to the very same as that of the ‘04 joint military exercise between the IAF and tbe USAF where Indian jets and pilots was said to creamed F-14’s piloted by USAF pilots. I mean do we seriously believe that Indian fighters and pilots are capable of beating the craps out of US jets and US pilots? Be serious! It’s just a way of flattering the Indians as a means of getting them on board America’s China posturing bandwagon.
Re: Actually, on a qualitative basis, I think the edge has to go to the excellent Japanese diesel-electric flotilla.
Yes, I agree that qualitative wise that Japan is no small potato. I mean these offshoots of the Asian clan have something they can definitely take deep pride: [for a rice-farming-peasantry-of-a-community] akin to that of other Asian mainlander pre-industrial era with not a nail to their technological credit to being that of superpower status world I & II is no small feat.
Re: The Chinese have a few good Kilo-class diesels, the rest of their diesel fleet are clunkers and “generic” diesels mostly good for exercise work and training, and their nukey-boats are noisy as hell and easy meat for Japanese boats equipped with new-generation fire-control equipment.
You mean those sneaky ChiCom boats that popped up right across the bow of the USS Kitty Hawk http://www.sinodaily.com/reports/Chinese_Sub_Approached_US_Aircraft_Carrier_Undetected_999.html ??? One would have thought that the Commander of the Kitty Hawk would have been much much more careful after the first such incident, i.e., an undetected Ming class surprising the Japanese Self Defense force a year previous by popping up right in front of them near Japanese waters.
And yeah! With the USS Imppecable plying the waters of both the South China Sea and the East China Sea, eventually, we’ll find that elusive Chinese Loch Nes monster, the popularly talked about 096 where one class supposedly sports up to 16 launchers and the other 24 launchers.
And those Kilos? They’ve practically been confined to dry dock ever since delivery. My speculation is that they were used as specimens for the development the 041A Yuan class clunker, a boat which no one knew existed until they intentionally let GE lock in on it. Accordingly, this boat has now matured and grown up into a handsome SD-10 firing sibling nick named the Qing class.
Re: American naval officers don’t call the Japanese Maritime SDF the “Eighth Fleet” for nothing.
That term (Eighth Fleet) may hold true for Japan WWII days. But now-a-days, the Japanese navy is no more but a faint shadow cast by the towering US Pacific fleet. The term “Eighth Fleet”, by me, is no more but a way of patronizing the Japanese, a sort of a pad in the back by the US to the Japanese navy just to make them feel important.
The purpose of patronizing the Japanese navy by calling it the “Eights Fleet” amounts to the very same as that of the ‘04 joint military exercise between the IAF and tbe USAF where Indian jets and pilots was said to creamed F-14’s piloted by USAF pilots. I mean do we seriously believe that Indian fighters and pilots are capable of beating the craps out of US jets and US pilots? Be serious! It’s just a way of flattering the Indians as a means of getting them on board America’s China posturing bandwagon.