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To: dangus

He has his wife and son in the house. It isn’t even an arrest warrant, just a search warrant. He had been talked to by cops before, without violence.

I think the Marine was either involved in crime, or had friends who were. But all they needed to do is go to the door as cops, knock, WAIT FOR AN ANSWER, and then explain they have a search warrant and need to enter.

Based on his previous history, he probably would NOT be a happy camper - but there is no reason to believe he would have pulled a gun on a blue-uniformed cop and started a fight that could kill his wife and son!

However, if you have a crowd of SWAT do a cluster-f$%# at the door (watch the video - if the Marine was a REAL bad guy, he would have shot and killed them from the side window!), gaggle around during 7 seconds of knock/announce before breaking the door down, then yes, you may meet a guy with a gun. After all, you would at my house! I’d be walking into my living room with a 44 in hand, ready to check out the commotion at my door - and then I would be killed for having a gun in my hand.

And if I didn’t die right away, they would keep medical care from coming for 1.5 hours until I did die...

Perhaps you can explain to me why they needed 1+ hours to ‘clear the building’. I guarantee you it would not take the US Army an hour or more to clear a 1500 sq ft house for entry...


86 posted on 06/24/2011 7:09:58 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Mr Rogers

>Perhaps you can explain to me why they needed 1+ hours to ‘clear the building’. I guarantee you it would not take the US Army an hour or more to clear a 1500 sq ft house for entry...

If a squad from the US Army did what these SWAT guys did they would be up on charges of murder.


103 posted on 06/24/2011 2:06:48 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Here is the kicker - that unravels the story.

The cops didn’t find anything - at least anything worth fighting and dieing for. MAYBE the referenced “stolen gun” - but that is it?

So - let’s see what else they can cook up - but right now - the guy had no MOTIVATION to fight. The cops didn’t find what they were ;looking for - they didn’t find some big drug operation he was defending. He had little if any MOTIVE to turn it into a shootout - especially with wife an dkid in house.

What was his motivation? He never fired. Right now it looks like he had no reason to fight - so - that is the portion I would like to see. As you note - this wasn’t even an arrest warrant - it was a search warrant.

So the government’s position is - a man wanted to fight and die over a search warrant for stuff that wasn’t there. So - there is a rather massive logical flaw here.

As for the coverup - I see plenty of motivation for that.


108 posted on 06/25/2011 2:26:59 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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