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To: pnh102; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
Ahh, the classic approach of someone who has lost an argument... you must agree with something terrible so you're an awful person!

I'm not having an argument. YOU are advocating forced sterilization and, yes, that DOES make you an awful person.

Please explain to me where someone choosing to be sterilized as a condition of accepting help from the government is morally equivalent to murdering a person. If anything, having these people be spayed or neutered (and yes, I use these terms on purpose) will reduce the number of children being murdered prior to birth because there will be no children to murder.

NONE of the victims CHOSE this, it is amazing how pro-death leftists love to use variations of the word "choice" to mask their true agenda.

You sound exactly like Margaret Sanger saying that if certain people are just sterilized they won't need abortions. What you surely think is a "noble" desire is disgusting.

And if you're going to accuse me of being some sort of left-wing baby murderer, then I am going to accuse you of being a freedom-hating socialist, because you believe that it is perfectly OK for the state to hold a gun to a worker's head and take all of his paycheck to cover the costs of someone else's lack of responsibility.

Project much?

We are talking about FORCED STERILIZATION of children.

Does the government have the authority to tax? Yes, but that doesn't mean I like it, nor does it make me a socialist.

But the government DOES NOT have the authority to sterilize someone.

35 posted on 06/23/2011 8:07:01 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
YOU are advocating forced sterilization ...

Where? I merely advocate that someone who chooses to have the state be their benefactor be spayed or neutered. You have a funny definition of "force."

NONE of the victims CHOSE this, it is amazing how pro-death leftists love to use variations of the word "choice" to mask their true agenda.

Ahh, so I am a leftist now. Clearly, you support slavery too, as you believe that people who work and pay taxes should be slaves to those who do not, and should work even harder to subsidize increasingly lavish social welfare programs to benefit people who are on the dole.

Does the government have the authority to tax? Yes, but that doesn't mean I like it, nor does it make me a socialist.

Sure it does, because you're extending that authority to tax into a government obligation to pay for social welfare programs with no expectation of responsible behavior on the part of the recipients. I simply believe that in our society, we have rights and responsibilities. Someone who goes and sires or births countless children has a responsibility to take care of those children. It is not morally right for that person to use the state as a thief-by-proxy to force someone else who is trying to behave responsibly to pay for something that he had nothing to do with.

Instead of addressing my objections to this infringement of personal freedom on the part of the taxpayer, you've gone and called me all sorts of nasty names. Meanwhile, you advocate for the continuation of a failed welfare state, slavery against people who pay the bills. Are you sure YOU are on the correct site?

38 posted on 06/23/2011 8:20:26 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: wagglebee
Hi, my pc's been out of action. I'm back sort of. Keep up the great work. If many Americans are going to end up on Medicaid, they will lose their doctors. I wonder how many people will croak on the sidewalks in front of hospital ERs? My friend died when Gov. Scott's HCA hospital refused to admit her and Morton Plant Hospital (who didn't want to treat Terri in 2003) sent her home.

People, if you like Medicare, you'll love Medicaid. You will be one of the unwashed untouchables.

OBAMACARE will create a new class - an underclass. (It's "in the bill".)

44 posted on 06/23/2011 8:34:13 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( OBAMACARE "It's in the bill.")
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To: wagglebee

I think the politicians who passed it and the administrators who did it should be made to pay, not the present taxpayers.

I am tired of taxpayers paying up when politicians/gov workers mess up and are never punished themselves


137 posted on 06/23/2011 1:09:39 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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