Though harmonium and Eleutheria5 have been here longer than I have, I bid to zot, and that the lightning strike not once, but twice: the two of them, harmonium and the original poster, on an American conservative site, continually being apologists of an American traitor, and mocking patriotic Americans not only offended by the traitor, but by their behavior in advocating for him.
The only ones that have made an issue of his Judaism have been his apologists, particularly harmonium, playing the race card just like Mumia’s apologists do, as mentioned above, and as Pollard himself did, claiming “racial imperative” as the excuse for what he did: betraying the only country of his citizenship, for more than one foreign country.
Here on this thread harmonium has been apparently disingenuous, knowing the sources well enough to recognize where a list of them are from, without their being attributed as such, but still constantly requesting attribution, while mocking the way in which they’re referenced, and claiming another thread was a ‘hate fest without addressing those he considered had made it so, or seemingly having read or considered all the thoughtful information presented when evidence or justification was requested or demanded by these defenders of a traitor, as if any further were even necessary.
Someone above, in response to harmonium’s ‘showing their true colors’ jibe, pointed out what I had been thinking, that the true colors shown were red, white, and blue. What true colors did Pollard show, besides yellow, or green?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2733483/posts?q=1&;page=1
Information from American sources are rejected in favor of statements from Israeli officialdom. Pollard’s apologist harmonium in particular has claimed to be American though, which to me isn’t evident from a single thing he’s said, only mentioning it when asserting that his way of thinking is how ‘other’ Americans should also think about this traitor.
This happened in the Reagan era. In my opinion, Netanyahu and Ehud Barak dirty themselves even by mentioning the name of this filth, let alone advocating for him officially, or visiting him in prison. But that’s their prerogative as representatives of a foreign country. Pollard originally sought sanctuary in the Israeli consulate, but was turned away, at which point he was captured by our law enforcement. Israel did not want him then. Why now?
For thirteen years after this, Israel denied employing Pollard, lying to us that he was in league with ‘rogue agents’ but yet their promise to cooperate with our investigation, as part of the plea deal, beyond being breached by this fact, fell into harassment of our agents collecting information in Israel for this case. Pollard himself also broke the conditions of his plea deal, as has been described elsewhere.
These apologists of an American traitor have made mention often of proportionality for his crimes, but without mentioning or comparing him to Mordechai Vanunu, convicted as an Israeli traitor, who seems to have betrayed less than Pollard did, and who seems to have much greater justification to his claim to being a whistleblower or prisoner of conscience than Pollard does, though Pollard and his traitor apologists have tried that too when other gambits didn’t work. Can we have reference comments on that case?
Admiral Sumner Shapiro, along with three other former directors of America’s Naval Intelligence, in a position to know, felt strongly enough about this to jointly issue this statement:
“We... feel obligated to go on record with the facts regarding Pollard in order to dispel the myths that have arisen from this clever public relations campaign... aimed at transforming Pollard from greedy, arrogant betrayer of the American national trust into Pollard, committed Israeli patriot”
I agree that this may be the most radical leftist, most openly, rabidly, anti-American thread, that I have ever seen here.
As another poster pointed out, none of these Pollard apologists ever bring up the notorious traitors who were executed, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg.
It's a curious thing.
You waste a lot of blather to mischaracterize my statements with reference to Pollard. At most I’ve been ambivalent, certainly not an “apologist” or “mocking” anyone who disagrees. I do make a point of reasoning through the issues, and while you may disagree with my reasoning, I won’t respect a dissent that isn’t expressed in a coherent argument. It’s not a major issue for me, and I’ve expressed my opinion on that and a great number of issues here over the past decade or so, and will continue to do so. I’m boots on the ground here in Judah and Samaria, where the news doesn’t happen on TV, and on any topic at all, I can disagree with other posters here. Should the moderator of this forum wants to zot me or any other regular long-standing poster for failing to incant the prescribed shibolet on cue on Pollard or anything else, it will be Freep’s loss, not mine. Stick around, Old New York. You have a lot to learn and you really oughtn’t to presume to police your seniors here.
I do not give a damn if Pollard is white, black brown or yellow.
I do not give a damn that Pollard is a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Buddist or whatever.
Pollard sold and gave secrets of the U.S.A. to another country and I do not care that it was a friendly country,
Basttard should have hung by his neck til dead a long time ago.
Let him out for any reason? NO f-ing way.
End of discussion.
Patriotism? Is that what YOU call patriotism? Creepy.
You follow the example of the British Admiralty who keep REAL captured America patriots in horrible, deadly, miserable conditions not again matched until the Nazi death camps. Look up Wallops Bay, if you are a REAL New Yorker.
The Admiralty refused to negotiate with General Washington for prisoner swaps. Washington was a great man and the First among true patriots. Had he captured a French officer or soldier spying on the Patriot cause for France or some partisan interest in France, he would have shipped him home after taking an oath never to come back.
Between 1775 and 1783, some 200,000 Americans took up arms against the British Crown. Just over 6,800 of those men died in battle. About 25,000 became prisoners of war, most of them confined in New York City under conditions so atrocious that they perished by the thousands. Evidence suggests that at least 17,500 Americans may have died in these prisons—more than twice the number to die on the battlefield. It was in New York, not Boston or Philadelphia, where most Americans gave their lives for the cause of independence.Those aboard ships had it the worst, for them there was no hope. The Admiralty refused prisoner trades.New York City became the jailhouse of the American Revolution because it was the principal base of the Crown’s military operations. Beginning with the bumper crop of American captives taken during the 1776 invasion of New York, captured Americans were stuffed into a hastily assembled collection of public buildings, sugar houses, and prison ships. The prisoners were shockingly overcrowded and chronically underfed—those who escaped alive told of comrades so hungry they ate their own clothes and shoes.
See http://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Patriots-American-Prisoners-Revolutionary/dp/0465008356
Very well stated!
I’m happy to see the bigoted traitor supporting troll has been zotted. One of them anyway. Sometimes it seems that no matter how many trolls get zotted, there’s always another one ready to step up to the plate and continue the mission.