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To: allmendream
"You say ID explains EVERYTHING"

I never said that at all. Please show me where I said that. But you did say, "Proposing supernatural forces to explain natural phenomena is an intellectual dead end that leads nowhere and creates nothing of any value." Which is quite interesting in that your "science" proposes a supernatural "big bang" singularity to explain the natural world. Thus, you empiricists have no problem incorporating the supernatural when it serves your ends but rejecting it when there's the possibility of a moral component. The ultimate hypocrisy of empirical science, which by its own definition cannot quantify empiricism itself.

138 posted on 06/18/2011 9:46:18 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity
There is nothing proposed about the Big Bang that would be supernatural. It makes sense that an expanding universe would - if reversed in time - contract. This gives the Universe a definite beginning.

It no more removes God as the cause than the fact that stars are formed via nuclear fusion and gravity means that God did not create them.

I was created by God from “dust”, and to “dust” I will return. But I was also created via cellular processes involving DNA.

You seem to think “the designer” of your cdesign proponentists had to work by magic - or it just wasn't “the designer”. The idea that “the designer” might actually create a competent design doesn't seem to enter their primitive theology.

139 posted on 06/18/2011 10:18:01 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: circlecity
You never said that at all?

What does “encompasses every aspect of the observable universe from the quantum to the cosmologic.” mean to you, if not EVERYTHING that could possibly BE explained?

You said ID explains everything - it is a nothing explanation - a hammer in search of a nail - a lower case ‘god’ in search of a gap.

140 posted on 06/18/2011 10:21:52 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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