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To: ansel12

Well, from what I remember about the physical standards, only the pushups were reduced for women, since they have less upper body strength than men. And even with that standard, there were a number of women who exceeded the women’s standard to match the men’s. The sit-ups were just about equivalent. At the time, I had to do 52 in two minutes and the women, 50. And the times for the two-mile run, weren’t all that far off either, maybe by a minute or slightly more or less.

I’m on the scrawny side and served in the Army so although I passed the standards, there were women in my unit who were certainly stronger and more physically capable than I was.
Aside from the physical part, though, in regard to the actual tasks we needed to do, I didn’t see any difference at all. They worked just as hard doing the same tasks and just as well. I was proud to serve with them.


33 posted on 06/17/2011 12:37:53 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
there were women in my unit who were certainly stronger and more physically capable than I was.

You just admitted that the females have female standards, not the real standards, then you describe those mythical women that i always hear about but have never met.

I will tell you something about your "scrawny" male body, I can turn it into something that is superior than almost all females on earth, it has built in capabilities and reserves of strength.

Women can't do the job on their best, most healthy day, give them a year of malaria and canned peaches and Marlboros and they really can't pick up their 100 pound packs.

34 posted on 06/17/2011 1:00:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: cotton1706
I’m on the scrawny side and served in the Army so although I passed the standards, there were women in my unit who were certainly stronger and more physically capable than I was.

wow.... you actually admit that. MOS 0321 and no f'ing way that I'd ever admit a woman was "stronger" than me. Cause she hasn't been built yet.

I only had one "self defense" instructor that was a female yap about grappling. It was pathetic. Closed, latched on, went to the deck and I would have killed her with a rifle, pistol, knife, pencil, toothpicks and bare hands.

God forbid if I ever had a choice between a guy and a girl out in the boonies with a good hump out to a fight, I'll give you the "strong girl". Or female or gender correct Army/Marine/Chair Force or Navy squid.... I'll take a Marine that takes a leak standing up and can carry a full pack without gender norming.

What a crock. This was ALL about sticking it to the Corps for their stance on homosexuals in the services.

She came up supply... so I'm sure that she knows how to fight.... other paper pushers. Her units will at least look the best, cause we know that's the most important thing in a fighting force.

45 posted on 06/17/2011 9:41:49 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: cotton1706
The women can't do anything up to the old PT standards and the new ones have been manipulated so that they "get real close". Pull-ups (now they allow chin ups) 20 for a man-70 seconds "flexed hang" for a woman. Now they allow palms in so that it's easier.

3 mile run- 18 minutes for a man, 21 minutes for a female. Cause you know that in combat 3 minutes isn't really important.

The old PFT test had 30 pull up-palms out, 60 push ups-not on your knees, 100 sit ups in 2 minutes, broad jump and 300 yard shuttle run.

The armed forces are becoming the TSA of the defense department. We'll see how this all works out if we get froggy with the Chinese. Nothing like a good war to get rid of the weak sisters. Unfortunately good men and unprepared women are going to get killed till this corrects itself.

51 posted on 06/18/2011 6:15:17 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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