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1 posted on 06/16/2011 9:07:03 AM PDT by justsaynomore
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To: justsaynomore

Sorry - I messed up on the title, it should read “Cain Is Right About Repealing Income Tax”


2 posted on 06/16/2011 9:09:55 AM PDT by justsaynomore (http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: justsaynomore
Herman Cain

born December 13, 1945 in Memphis, TN (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Luther Cain Jr., born March 16, 1925 in TN, died March 29, 1982 in Atlanta, GA
Lenora Davis, born July 27, 1925 in GA, died August 20, 2005 in Atlanta, GA

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Herman Cain is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama ISN'T!

”Herman

10 posted on 06/16/2011 9:27:59 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: justsaynomore
Important quote from the article:

Our presidents since Eisenhower and through President Obama have never met a spending opportunity they didn't like. The income tax system allows the Congress and the administration virtually unrestricted access to all of your money. If you protest too much, then they have self-righteously given themselves the ability to levy onerous penalties or destroy your business, or rather easily put you in prison.

The result is that the income tax system has facilitated our public servants — Congress and the administration — to become unaccountable mandarins, ruling the United States rather than serving the people.

12 posted on 06/16/2011 9:57:31 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Land of the free my @ss)
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If Cain is serious about this, he needs to have drafted and heavily vetted, “tandem” resolutions, sent out to the individual States for debate, to poll their interest.

The first resolution would be the repeal of the 16th Amendment, The Income Tax, importantly along with all of its “enabling acts”, the tax laws and courts based on the 16th Amendment.

The second resolution, for his new tax, would have to be written in such a way that it is absolutely *dependent* on the passage of the first resolution as a constitutional amendment, before it could be passed.

If it wasn’t written precisely that way, sure as a gun the US would end up with *both* an Income Tax *and* a consumption tax.

And the third thing he would have to do, which would be the hardest of all, would be to write new enabling legislation for the new tax.

This is because, by themselves, constitutional amendments have no force until enabling laws are written about them. And even if an amendment is well written, if its enabling laws are not up to snuff, the amendment is fairly useless.

The best example of this was the 18th Amendment, the Prohibition of Alcohol. It was clear and precise, but by the time the enabling laws were written, enthusiasm had cooled, so congress made the enabling laws very weak—too weak to make prohibition work.

And though it quickly became a joke, it still took 14 years to repeal the 18th Amendment with the 21st Amendment.

Once Cain was to do this, there will be a huge amount of debate on the subject, because in truth, the US has *never* had a good means of funding the federal government.

Importantly, Cain’s idea of a consumption tax may be a good one. But it must take into account the known “perfidies”, of how politicians subvert the law to achieve very different ends.

For example, who sets the rates for consumption? And *how* are those rates set and changed? Obama would likely declare a 10,000,000% tax on coal, because he has the stated goal of destroying the coal industry.

Could the rates be changed by congress by a voice vote at 2am on a Saturday morning? By the decision of unelected bureaucrats? And what if what is consumed is bought outside of the US, such as fuel, pharmaceuticals, and luxury items?

The devils are in the details, and as has been demonstrated by the Income Tax, the devils are not just legion, but Corps, Army Group, or Theater in number.


13 posted on 06/16/2011 10:27:22 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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That’s a good start. Now let’s talk about repealing property tax, capital gains tax, estate tax, taxes on dividends and interest, etc.


18 posted on 06/16/2011 11:32:51 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: justsaynomore

The desired VAT tax is not the answer, either. Nor are increased property taxes. The opportunity presented by default will be the way to the answer.


22 posted on 06/16/2011 4:38:42 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --"Deacon," "Waterworld")
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To: justsaynomore

Pinganator!

HC News articles today:

Herman Cain to attend Glenn Beck’s Jerusalem rally
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2735604/posts

Cain Corner 6/15/11: To Know Him Is to Love Him II
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2735114/posts

Islamophobia on parade at GOP debate (waah, now the libs attack Cain)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2735099/posts

Did Herman Cain turn around Godfather’s Pizza?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2734867/posts

Cain, Pawlenty To Sign the Strong America Now Pledge to Reduce Waste in Government
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cain-pawlenty-to-sign-the-strong-america-now-pledge-to-reduce-waste-in-government-124000329.html

Also, interesting endorsement from Dale Peterson:

Fellow Patriots, Tonight I made a major announcement, an announcement that after much thought, observation and consideration, and given the state of our country, I felt comfortable making. Tonight during my speech at the Republican Leadership Confere...nce I announced my support of Non-Politician, but astute Bus...inessman, Herman Cain for President of the United States of America. As CEO of America, Herman Cain will have the business sense and the proven business experience to turn around and save from bankruptcy the largest corporation in the world – and the greatest nation on Planet Earth. Liberal media would like us to believe that America is an entitled nation. That’s 180 degrees away from what America is about. America is a privileged nation, and we will NOT allow our great country to sink into entitlement, no matter how much the liberal spin tries to take us there. Politicians, and ONLY politicians, got America into this mess, so it is insane to think by electing professional politicians over and over and over again somehow MIRACULOUSLY, the same old professional politicians are going to get us out of this mess. They are NOT - because they do not have ONE LICK OF BUSINESS SENSE That is precisely why America is now on life support. I was my honored honor to endorse Herman Cain and I look forward to traveling around this country in the months ahead to let everyone know why I support him. America is PAST ready for a President with business experience and a Presidential team with business experience. Fortunately for America, Herman Cain has stepped up to the plate. It’s time to put AMERICA FIRST and I believe Herman Cain will do just that. For more information on Herman Cain please visit his website, http://www.hermancain.com/ or his facebook page, http://www.facebook.com/THEHermanCain God Bless, - Dale Peterson


23 posted on 06/16/2011 8:12:47 PM PDT by justsaynomore (http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: DickBrannigan; txhurl; sneakers; PATRIOT1876; Lucky2; Erik Latranyi; taraytarah; GYPSY286; ...
Ping...let me know if you want on or off this Herman Cain Ping List.

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27 posted on 06/17/2011 6:57:47 AM PDT by pgkdan ( Time for a Cain Mutiny!)
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A couple things to remember about the Fair Tax (as it relates to HC’s campaign and strategy)..

First, Cain has an economic plan based on our current tax system — so second, his Fair Tax pledge is to have a national discussion on the Fair Tax and he believes when folks understand it, they’ll demand it.

Third: it would instantly turn the USA into the world’s wealth haven. Instantly. Period. End of discussion.

Fourth: it is not simple, and it is not perfect, but it is far more simple and far more perfect than the current system.

Fifth: cannot be intelligently discussed in a single internet thread or a single Presidential debate.


28 posted on 06/17/2011 7:09:50 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (American Thinker Columnist / Rush ghost contributor)
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To: justsaynomore
I don't agree with the concept that any government has the right to know what free citizens earn or are worth.

If people want to conduct commerce in the arena provided by the government, then they should pay taxes on that service.

The whole idea that the government is allowed to look into anybody's bank account or paycheck is disgusting. I don't work for them and I sure as hell didn't marry them.

29 posted on 06/17/2011 7:13:37 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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