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Blood On Their Hands: Giving Guns to Criminals Was the Plan All Along
Townhall.com ^ | June 15, 2011 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 06/15/2011 11:47:12 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 06/15/2011 11:47:16 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

One of the things that bothers me the most is the description of “an operation turned tragic”. They knew damn well that someone would die. They counted on it as a means of attacking our 2nd amendment rights.

They just didn’t expect the deaths to lead back to government.


2 posted on 06/15/2011 11:51:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Kaslin

Simple: more backdoor gun control like Dr’s asking about guns in Øbamocare

pos-holder is trying everything


3 posted on 06/15/2011 11:51:56 AM PDT by bicyclerepair ( Ft. Lauderdale Florida)
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To: Kaslin

Somebody, or several somebodies, need to swing for this.


4 posted on 06/15/2011 11:53:37 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (I'll have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.)
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To: Kaslin
The REAL target: Lawful American gun owners and dealers.

5 posted on 06/15/2011 11:53:46 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Kaslin
It's official, the fecal matter has hit the rotating blades.
6 posted on 06/15/2011 11:54:26 AM PDT by JPG (Hey, LSM, how are those emails workin' out for ya?)
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To: Kaslin

Completely disagreed!! The plan was to use the chaos/mayhem produced by giving guns to criminals as the platform to pass new gun laws. In a nutshell it was about further erosion of our 2nd A rights. Its no more complex than that.


7 posted on 06/15/2011 11:54:26 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Kaslin
“I can’t think of a single, logical strategy as to why this would have worked,” Forcelli said. “This was a catastrophic disaster.”

Think outside the box.

We the People weren't supposed to know, so the Domestic Enemies in DC could then use the carnage as an pretense to enact anti-2nd Amendment legislation.

Disarm the Peasants for the coming chaos.

8 posted on 06/15/2011 11:55:18 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Kaslin

So with all this out in the open, is there *any* reason to keep the ATF around?


9 posted on 06/15/2011 11:56:02 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: bicyclerepair

Wasn’t Obama quoted recently telling an audience of co-conspirators something to the effect that his regime was “doing things below the radar” to advance the anti-gun agenda?


10 posted on 06/15/2011 11:57:27 AM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
As another FReeper pointed out on another thread yesterday, while the BATFE and DOJ have been stonewalling every attempt to get to the bottom of this corrupt enterprise, they were able, in record time, to provide Schumer, Feinstein and Whitehouse all the BS they required for their newly-published report on "HALTING U.S. FIREARMS TRAFFICKING TO MEXICO".

The agenda is crystal clear to anyone who's paying attention.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

11 posted on 06/15/2011 11:57:35 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: cripplecreek

I think it is actually worse than just wanting to enact more restrictive gun laws. I believe somebody high up in government(Holder and Obama??) were getting kickbacks from the cartels for the ‘free guns’.

The dems just want us to look at this as a legislative gimmick and while that may be an added benefit to the commie dems...there is very big money in helping the cartels. They hand out money to politicians all the time. Go look at how many dem mayors and sheriffs there are along the border and up along the major drug running corridors through the US...you will be surprised.


12 posted on 06/15/2011 11:59:43 AM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: Kaslin
Forcelli also added that while the ATF was ordering gun dealers to sell to straw buyers under surveillance, gun dealers were taking the heat for it, and being held responsible for violence in Mexico.

And that's exactly what this was all about: An attack on the 2nd Amendment and law abiding gun owners and dealers.

13 posted on 06/15/2011 12:00:00 PM PDT by piytar (Obama's Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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To: Soothesayer9
So with all this out in the open, is there *any* reason to keep the ATF around?

IMHO ... this goes to the decision makers (at the TOP) not the guys on the line.

14 posted on 06/15/2011 12:00:40 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Soothesayer9

Excellent point


15 posted on 06/15/2011 12:02:30 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin; Joe Brower

This scandal is a million times worse than Watergate, and the MSM ignores it.


16 posted on 06/15/2011 12:05:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is in print and on Kindle.)
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To: Joe Brower

ping to some interesting info that may be related:

‘Obama Donors Get Top DOJ Jobs’

“Among the more alarming examples listed in the investigative piece involves the DOJ, the agency that enforces the law, ensures public safety against foreign or domestic threats and defends the nation’s interests. Obama appointed seven campaign bundlers to the DOJ, including Attorney General Eric Holder who raised $50,000 in 2008.

A George Washington University law professor (Spencer Overton) who bundled at least half a million dollars was appointed principal deputy attorney general in the DOJ’s Office of Legal Policy. Five other donors also landed jobs at the agency, including a Harvard buddy of Obama’s who got the No. 3 DOJ policy job and a Georgia bond lawyer who became a deputy associate attorney general.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2735170/posts

Bundling Mexican cartel money by chance? Pay attention to this folks. It may go deeper than just trying to use this to pass restrictive gun laws. Lots of cartel money makes it’s way into the hands of democrat politicians.

No doubt the cartels really appreciated all the guns and got to get them without worry of arrest or seizure because the agents were told to not follow the purchasers from the strawman purchasers/handlers. How convenient.


17 posted on 06/15/2011 12:11:05 PM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: Travis McGee
knowing which side the bread is buttered on and by whom always trumps the truth from the leftist media ... imho
18 posted on 06/15/2011 12:11:07 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: 556x45
I agree with your statement,and would like to point out that pouring gas on an already volitile situation,is what community organizers do to gain control.
19 posted on 06/15/2011 12:15:52 PM PDT by hwkbeer (I will pursue my enemy and not stop till I consume him.)
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To: Kaslin

Color me shocked. Not.


20 posted on 06/15/2011 12:23:14 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 875 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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