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Paging Rick Perry: How a Southerner Could Sweep to the G.O.P. Nomination (getting into the weeds)
New York Times ^ | May 18, 2011 | Nate Silver's Political Calculus

Posted on 06/11/2011 12:05:03 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

MAY 18, 2011 - Being a Southerner conveys certain advantages upon a Republican presidential candidate.

Since 1980, a Southerner has finished first or second in every Iowa Republican presidential caucus.

[snip]

The White House has been occupied by a Southerner — counting the Massachusetts-born and decidedly patrician George H.W. Bush, who resided in Texas at the time he ran for office — in 30 of the past 46 years. I’m not sure this is entirely a coincidence....

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If a candidate dominates the South — and it’s much easier for a Southern candidate to do that — he’ll have made a lot of headway into winning the votes and delegates that he’ll need to secure his party’s nomination.... a candidate like Mr. Perry, who would have advantages like fundraising and establishment support that would extend to all corners of the country, ...doing very well in the South and still well enough outside of it to win his party’s nomination.

For a Republican candidate, in fact, this advantage may be especially powerful because of a demographic quirk related to Iowa, the first and most important state in the nominating process. Some 60 percent of Iowa Republican voters are born-again Christians — about the same fraction as in many Southern states....

......He’d stand a good chance at doing well in Iowa, and if he did, he’d probably follow it up with a win in South Carolina, and possibly also Florida. And then he’d pick up plenty of delegates in the Southern states that voted on Super Tuesday and beyond — including of course Texas, which itself accounts for 140 delegates.

So don’t sell the Southern Republicans short yet — the advantages the primary system offers to candidates like Mr. Perry could be more than enough to make up for a late start.

(Excerpt) Read more at fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; election; elections; guilianni2; illegals; kelovsnewlondon; perry; rickperry; rino
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To: tbpiper
......As this continues, her ‘unelectability’ with decrease.

I saw a funny exchange on CNN a few hours ago. The on-site reporter was saying there wasn't anything bad found in the emails -- that they showed a governor who worked hard for Alaska. The old blonde anchorette wasn't expecting that happy conclusion.

41 posted on 06/11/2011 2:01:13 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I have a prediction:

Perry will announce he is running — shortly afterwards Palin will announce she is NOT running and will endorse Perry.

It will be interesting to see the posts here then. :)


42 posted on 06/11/2011 2:08:23 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: isthisnickcool
This is all conjecture at this point and good to air all views.

There are a lot of facts about all the candidates, good and bad. Now if I had to choose between a Perry and a Romney, I'm going with Perry. I love Palin. At this point neither Palin or Perry are in the race.

I leave this article here for those interested in learning more about Perry (one pundit's views).

Perry won reelection despite the push by establishment GOP to elect Kay Bailey Hutchison.

Rick Perry’s Tenth Commandment

[excerpt] "......Speaking of presidents: Rick Perry has a complicated relationship with the Bushes, which is to say that he’s hesitant to criticize them and they hate his guts. W. stayed well away from Perry’s gubernatorial-primary melee against Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, whose oatmeal-mushy Republicanism has a distinctly Bushian savor to it. But the mark of W. was all over the campaign against Perry. Former president George H. W. Bush endorsed Senator Hutchison, an unusual step for the habitually reserved retiree, who usually stays well removed from the dirty business of vote-grubbing, surveying the groundlings from the heights of his eminence. Bush père was joined in his support by former vice president Dick Cheney, who offered an endorsement and called Hutchison “the real deal.” Hutchison was further fortified by the Bush clan’s in-house Machiavelli, former secretary of state James Baker, who led the Florida recount fight in 2000 and remains their go-to fixer. W. mouthpiece Karen Hughes came out of the political woodwork to support the insurgency, along with W.’s secretary of education Margaret Spellings. Karl Rove advised Team Hutchison. The gang was all there: All this in a primary challenge to unseat an incumbent Republican governor with one of the most conservative — and most successful — records to be found: Que paso, Bushes?

Part of that was payback. Perry, generally circumlocutious on the subject of W., gave himself a little time off the leash during the 2008 Republican presidential primaries. Often caricatured as yet another snake-handling southern social conservative, Governor Perry backed thrice-married dress-wearing pro-choice lapsed Catholic Rudy Giuliani, on the theory that Rudy would be a badass commander-in-chief abroad and a reliable constitutionalist at home. Politics being politics, the Texan and the New Yorker met up in Iowa, where more than a few Hawkeye conservatives were already getting restive about out-of-control federal spending on the Republicans’ watch. Governor Perry let loose the observation that “George” — and the Bushies hate it when Perry calls him “George” in public — “has never been a fiscal conservative.” Never? “Wasn’t when he was in Texas . . . ’95, ’97, ’99, George Bush was spending money.” He also criticized Bush as being limp on immigration.

The truth hurts, but there’s more to the Bush-Perry friction than that. One longtime observer of Lone Star politics described the Bushes’ disdain of Perry as “visceral,” and it is not too terribly hard to see why. The guy that NPR executives and the New York Times and your average Subaru-driving Whole Foods shopper were afraid George W. Bush was? Rick Perry is that guy. George W. Bush was Midland by way of Kennebunkport. Rick Perry’s people are cotton farmers from Paint Creek, a West Texas town so tiny and remote that my Texan traveling-salesman father looked at me skeptically and suggested I had the name wrong when I asked him whether he knew where it was. (Governor Perry confesses that one of the politiciany things he’s done in office is insisting that the Texas highway atlas include Paint Creek, making him the hometown boy who literally put the town on the map.) Bush is a Yalie, Perry is an Aggie. Bush served in the Texas Air National Guard, and Perry was a captain in the U.S. Air Force, flying C-130s in the Middle East. Bush has a gentleman’s ranch, Perry has the red meat. The irony is that Perry, a tea-party favorite, personifies the hawkish new fiscal conservatism that has allowed the GOP to find its way out from under George W. Bush’s shadow, but he himself remains in the shade of that politically poisonous penumbra...." [end excerpt]

43 posted on 06/11/2011 2:09:13 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: UniqueViews

I can’t wait to see all the twists and turns.

You may be right.

You could be wrong.

Tick-tock...


44 posted on 06/11/2011 2:11:32 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Logic isn’t your strong suit, is it?”

And strategic thinking is not your strong suit, is it?

The media and the Dems (one and the same) want conservatives to support Palin, and want her to be the nominee, because they can tear her to shreds, they are working on a parallel track, destroy her credibility, while conning the conservatives into thinking that she has a chance to beat Obama and will be laughing all the way to Obama’s second term.


45 posted on 06/11/2011 2:12:06 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: Rational Thought

The press like to pick their favorite ‘safety’ candidate for the GOP nomination. Then they trash him like anything when he’s up against their first choice, which is whomever the Dems have running.


46 posted on 06/11/2011 2:14:02 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The New York Slimes so desperately wants ABP.

The "NYSlimes" want Obama to declare himself emperor.

47 posted on 06/11/2011 2:16:20 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: proudpapa

Perry is WAY down the list of folks that could get me interested in voting for a Republican...

According to family and some teacher friends I have in Texas (on BOTH sides of the political spectrum), Perry is dividing the state in some very destructive ways.

One particular area of serious concern - his method of supposedly reforming the educational system - dramatic cuts to funding (not necessarily a bad thing), but the methods of cutting are actually violating state law, and is resulting in very odd and damaging flushing of some of the best teachers in state (while some very bad and sometimes inexperienced teachers are getting to keep their jobs). I know personally of one teacher that has been in the classroom over 20 years, has been recognized not only in her district, but statewide as a candidate for teacher of the year, many many honors and awards for quality of teaching... but the district she was happily working in (spotless record and evaluations) had to cut her. And from what I am hearing through the pipe - this is nowhere near an isolated cases.

And this is just one of several areas where I have been hearing frustration with Perry.

I don’t live in Texas, so I cannot speak from my own experience.


48 posted on 06/11/2011 2:22:52 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Perry is Rudy Giuliani, but without the dress.


49 posted on 06/11/2011 2:28:46 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: UniqueViews

Dude, they have been trying to “tear her to shreds” for three years now. With absolutely no success. What makes you think they could get it done if she wins the nomination? You need to lay off whatever you are smoking.


50 posted on 06/11/2011 2:30:35 PM PDT by cbvanb
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I was a "W" fan but left that behind after "W" spent money like a drunken sailor. It is true that "W" and family cannot stand Perry. I know Austin lobbyists that have been in the room with Rove and "W" while they refer to Perry by the nickname "W" gave Perry as he does with so many people.

The nickname is "dumbass".

The Bush family seem all sweetness and caring but they are not. Those folks can be brutal and are as much leeches on the taxpayer as anyone.

51 posted on 06/11/2011 2:31:32 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: UniqueViews

Here we go again... anyone but a Democrat”, even if that means voting for a sack of horse crap (not NECESSARILY calling Perry names...though if the shoe fits...).

Those so-called “electable” Republicans will be very little better than another 4 years of king Obummer... It is those same RINOs that have “helped” carry this country into the toilet on so many levels.

Sometimes, the ONLY option is revolution - a radical change in course brought about by radical means (And NO WAY am I pushing Ron Two-Faced, earmarks-happy Paul!).

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing you have always done, expecting different results.

And as far as the 2008 election - by 1/4 through the primary season, the press had already chosen the Republican loser...I mean candidate. There were no “good conservative candidates” from that point. The primary still had plenty of votes left had there been a good candidate... there wasn’t one (though McCain was probably one of the worst of the last few that were in the race).

Mythbusters featured the “polish on a turd” myth a couple of seasons back... pretty tough to do.


52 posted on 06/11/2011 2:32:15 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: TheBattman
Don't let facts interrupt your rant...

Perry is NO RINO, your declaring him as such doesn't make it so.

Texas has created more jobs than all the other 56 states (channeling Obama) put together.

53 posted on 06/11/2011 2:34:22 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

Beating Romney and Obama accomplishes zero if the result is still a socialist.

Which is why I and many others will be working to see that Perry does not carry Texas.

Given his record and how Texans in general feel about him, that is one of those fish in a bucket things.

This will mot be a debate, we will simply do it and nobody from out of state has any pull to get Texans to trust Goodhair to not be similar to Obama given his odor here.

Maybe if he had turned on the illegals in 2008 during the beginning of the Mexican drug war spillover he might have regained some credibility with Texas Conservatives. His chance to credibly turn to.the right passed.


54 posted on 06/11/2011 2:36:22 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: cbvanb

Poll: Palin leads GOP pack

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/politico/article/Poll-Palin-leads-GOP-pack-1415531.php

“Palin... has the support of 22 percent of Republicans surveyed, with Romney in second place, at 20 percent.

But of the Republican candidates, Romney runs the closest to Obama, at 38 percent to 51 percent. Obama outpolls former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty by 19 points and Palin by 23 points.”


55 posted on 06/11/2011 2:36:28 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: MrEdd

“Beating Romney and Obama accomplishes zero if the result is still a socialist.”

Now you are claiming Perry is a socialist?!

Your statements are becoming more ridiculous by the minute.


56 posted on 06/11/2011 2:37:54 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: ilovesarah2012
Five key words about Rick Perry are all anyone needs to know.

The first two are, "Karl Rove".

The second three, "New York Times".

The Timesmen want a Southerner to run, since they have a built-in hate library they can apply to any Southerner who isn't a liberal Democrat, starting with the word, "Them".

As in, knuckle-walking, corpse-breath, snaggle-toothed, nigra-burning, red-flannel yayhoo-zombie throwback.

We're talking, major hate.

If The New York Times is booming him up, you can stop right there and never lose another minute's sleep.

Oh,and Rick is gay-friendly. Very, very, very gay-friendly. And NWO-friendly, too. As I said, "Karl Rove".

57 posted on 06/11/2011 2:38:43 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: UniqueViews
Perry is NO RINO, your declaring him as such doesn't make it so.

Rick Perry is a definitive RiNO: In the 80's, he was a Democrat!

He changed parties, not outlook or priorities. He likes to raise taxes, invent new ones, and let Mexicans in by the million. Any questions?

58 posted on 06/11/2011 2:42:45 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Montfort
the ron paul nuts are a non factor.
59 posted on 06/11/2011 2:44:09 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: RED SOUTH

I partly agree, but Perry is delivering pretty well this session.


60 posted on 06/11/2011 2:44:55 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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