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To: Mariner; truth_seeker; All

“Cain is not qualified for POTUS based on those statements alone.”
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EternalVigilance, PGalt, Bockscar, arrogantsob and MANY others understand the TRUE extent of the danger. PLEASE read them again?

respectfully, you would be OK with people who officially belong to an organization like the Nazi Party or Communist party, when their party constitution expressly calls for the overthrow of the USA government?

...should Israel permit members of Hamas, who call for the destruction of Israel, to be members of it’s government, if they qualify for citizenship?

...a Muslim, by DEFINITION, belongs to a group, that OFFICIALLY, by their own rules, DOES NOT RECOGNIZE our government.
(and, as truth_seeker correctly said, their group, OFFICIALLY, in their own rules, are permitted to swear FALSE oaths of allegience!
...so, a “Loyalty test” or oath would NOT work!)

as others have said, “The Constitution is not a suicide pact”. if too many people like liberals believe it is,

...then our grandchildren WILL wear burkhas.

Islam IS a religion. (AND much more.) but if we need to define it as a “cult” or non-religion to survive...
THAT is why the Constitution has the ability to be modified.
even our great Founding Fathers could not foresee all.

Ivan Sirko, Oriana Fallaci, Winston Churchill, Mark Steyn,
were all WAY ahead of the curve on this...


38 posted on 06/10/2011 5:59:48 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Elendur
respectfully, you would be OK with people who officially belong to an organization like the Nazi Party or Communist party, when their party constitution expressly calls for the overthrow of the USA government?

It doesn't matter much what oaths you require, or what the law says, if no one considers it to be of enough importance to enforce it. Case in point below. Ask yourself if anyone held Barack Obama or the Illinois Democrat Party to the requirements below. Other states have similar laws on the books:

From the Illinois Code:

ARTICLE 7. THE MAKING OF NOMINATIONS BY POLITICAL PARTIES
10 ILCS 5/7-2) (from Ch. 46, par. 7-2)
Sec. 7-2.

[...]

A political party, which at the municipal election in any other municipality or political subdivision, (except townships and school districts), for municipal or other officers therein then next preceding a primary, cast more than 5 per cent of the entire vote cast in such municipality or political subdivision, is hereby declared to be a political party within the meaning of this Article, within said municipality or political subdivision, and shall nominate all municipal or other officers therein under the provisions hereof to the extent and in the cases provided in section 7--1.

Provided, that no political organization or group shall be qualified as a political party hereunder, or given a place on a ballot, which organization or group is associated, directly or indirectly, with Communist, Fascist, Nazi or other un-American principles and engages in activities or propaganda designed to teach subservience to the political principles and ideals of foreign nations or the overthrow by violence of the established constitutional form of government of the United States and the State of Illinois.
(Source: Laws 1943, vol. 2, p. 1.)

(10 ILCS 5/7-10.1) (from Ch. 46, par. 7-10.1)
    Sec. 7-10.1. Each petition or certificate of nomination shall include as a part thereof, a statement for each of the candidates filing, or in whose behalf the petition or certificate of nomination is filed, said statement shall be subscribed and sworn to by such candidate or nominee before some officer authorized to take acknowledgment of deeds in this State and shall be in substantially the following form:
United States of America
                         ss
State of Illinois        
    I, .... do swear that I am a citizen of the United States and the State of Illinois, that I am not affiliated directly or indirectly with any communist organization or any communist front organization, or any foreign political agency, party, organization or government which advocates the overthrow of constitutional government by force or other means not permitted under the Constitution of the United States or the constitution of this State; that I do not directly or indirectly teach or advocate the overthrow of the government of the United States or of this State or any unlawful change in the form of the governments thereof by force or any unlawful means.

.......................
    Subscribed and sworn to by me on (insert date).
.......................
(Notary Public)
     My commission expires: .....
(Source: P.A. 91-357, eff. 7-29-99.)


41 posted on 06/10/2011 6:31:23 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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To: Elendur

Israel does have Muslim citizens who serve in their government, by the way. Not members of terrorist organizations like Hamas, though.


43 posted on 06/10/2011 6:33:26 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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