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'Unpaid Student Loan' Raid Claim Refuted as Feds Target California Couple in Fraud Probe
Fox News ^ | 6-9-11 | Fox News

Posted on 06/10/2011 7:51:40 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998

A California man who initially claimed to a local television station that he was roughed up by "SWAT team" members who allegedly battered down his front door to execute a search warrant related to his estranged wife's unpaid student loans was targeted due to an ongoing probe into alleged financial aid fraud.

Local law enforcement officials have thus far not commented on the Stockton man's claim to ABC News 10/KXTV that he was grabbed by the neck and placed in handcuffs in back of a patrol car for six hours as his three children looked on during execution of the search warrant on Tuesday.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: cops; deptofed; education; holder; holderspeople; jbts; kennethwright; oig; police; raid; stockton; stocktonswat; studentloan; swat
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To: microgood
"You call that probable cause? "

You have overlooked that he owns a 1996 MY "large" Diesel truck of value indeterminable by the warrant author, et. al. So is it the fact that it's a Diesel that is suspicious or the fact that it is on some way "large", or that the popos can't estimate the value?

181 posted on 06/10/2011 12:14:20 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Saw one of those in Indy last week, one more layer.


182 posted on 06/10/2011 12:19:31 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

Apparently courthouses are not buildings.


183 posted on 06/10/2011 12:21:21 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2; freedomwarrior998

Yeah and FW998 keeps pushing it as the gospel. You should ask him what he thinks about the police dog killed by his handler.


184 posted on 06/10/2011 12:21:52 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

It was a “Winning The Future” moment for me. Like we don’t already have the FBI, BATF, Secret Service, TSA, IRS, etc.


185 posted on 06/10/2011 12:24:28 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Mybe they could not decide if the courthouses are owned or leased.


186 posted on 06/10/2011 12:24:56 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83; freedomwarrior998
"You should ask him what he thinks about the police dog killed by his handler."

There are lots of dog killer popos these days. Perhaps he is one or a supporter?

187 posted on 06/10/2011 12:27:14 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: All
Not to a troll like you. You are on the wrong side of the badge. I know you [sic] type. I would not want to share a foxhole with you. You endanger everyone and are the first to scream for their mom. We all know who you are.

You sure do use "we" a lot. I guess the voices in your head could constitute a "we" in a technical sense.

I suspect you don't want to lay out your position on those issues for other more suspect reasons however. Using the term "Troll" is a convenient excuse to cover for cowardice.

188 posted on 06/10/2011 12:37:46 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: microgood

I don’t think you know what “argument from authority” actually means.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html

Regardless, what you think satisfies the standard of probable cause is rather irrelevant. An independent judicial official, you know the ones whom the Constitution gives the authority to determine probable cause, found that it existed.

Your attempt at poisoning the well notwithstanding, only someone without an adequate education into what the term “probable cause” means wouldn’t find the information in the affidavit sufficient.


189 posted on 06/10/2011 12:41:44 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998
"if person A is not qualified to make reliable claims in subject S, then the argument will be fallacious. "

Note, I have no way to know if your credentials are valid or not. Zer0 can't even prove if he is a NBC or not.

190 posted on 06/10/2011 12:50:44 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: freedomwarrior998

Why do you keep asking people for their stance on issues that are not in this thread, when you will not answer questions put to you and issues you have talked about before. Can you say coward.


191 posted on 06/10/2011 12:58:51 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83
Those issues are very much part of this thread, as the liberaltarians are the ones in here playing the cop-hating game. Cop-hating and moral vice tend to go hand in hand.

So how about it? Abortion? Same-sex 'marriage'? Drug use? Fornication? Adultery? Pornography? God? What about it?

I will go to the other thread an post there when I feel like it. Trying to deflect the attention away from these issues onto that thread isn't going to work.

192 posted on 06/10/2011 1:15:19 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Mr Rogers
Maybe it was because the DoE was involved?

Local law enforcement could have executed the search warrant. A DOE search team is beyond the pale of reason.

193 posted on 06/10/2011 1:17:31 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who belong in jail.)
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To: freedomwarrior998; Ratman83; PA Engineer

“Those issues are very much part of this thread, as the liberaltarians are the ones in here playing the cop-hating game. Cop-hating and moral vice tend to go hand in hand.

So how about it? Abortion? Same-sex ‘marriage’? Drug use? Fornication? Adultery? Pornography? God? What about it?”

No one here is hating cops. They are hating the idea that some cops will break down doors, or shoot the moment they see someone with a gun - since, after all, many of us carry guns.

“Abortion? Same-sex ‘marriage’? Drug use? Fornication? Adultery? Pornography? God? What about it?”

OK.

Abortion - opposed.

Same sex marriage - if it is same sex, it isn’t marriage.

Drug use - don’t.

Drug war - I’m giving you a freebie here...good intentions, but poorly done.

Adultery - opposed.

Fornication - opposed.

God - yes.

Now, does any of that make it a good idea to serve a warrant on college admissions using the force one expects with an armed bank robber? No.

Does it mean SWAT should shoot anyone they see with a gun, after forcibly entering a home without serious attempts at identifying themselves and giving someone a chance to open the door peaceably? No.

If I heard a commotion at my front door, I’d grab my 44 and go take a look. I shouldn’t be shot by someone breaking down my door, who assumes I am guilty and who feels free to kill me serving a warrant for an activity that doesn’t carry a death penalty anyways...


194 posted on 06/10/2011 1:54:03 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Mr Rogers; freedomwarrior998
"They are hating the idea that some cops will break down doors, or shoot the moment they see someone with a gun"

Some of us dislike that cops tend to shoot Labs who "charge" or bark at them. Even those Labs on property merely adjacent to the one at issue. It's totally retarded to shoot a Lab (unless you are Sargent (Mr. Ed) Schultz).

195 posted on 06/10/2011 1:59:03 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: freedomwarrior998
only someone without an adequate education into what the term “probable cause” means wouldn’t find the information in the affidavit sufficient.

Baloney. The judge was probably too lazy to read the whole thing. There was simply nothing on Jose in there that justified the search warrant. What matters now is what the jurors think when Vanessa sues Pima County into oblivion.
196 posted on 06/10/2011 2:25:15 PM PDT by microgood
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To: freedomwarrior998
I suspect you don't want to lay out your position on those issues for other more suspect reasons however. Using the term "Troll" is a convenient excuse to cover for cowardice.

Adress it to me. You are a coward. Pray.
197 posted on 06/10/2011 2:34:05 PM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/AW12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: CharacterCounts
That's not the warrant for this case. That's an affidavit for a warrant in a drug case involving the search of multiple residences.

Correct. This was related to a side argument about the Marine being killed by the Pima County Sheriff's Dept.
198 posted on 06/10/2011 3:04:59 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood
"There was simply nothing on Jose in there that justified the search warrant."

But he apparently owned a Diesel Truck. Clearly an indication of being Eurocentric rather than an American.

199 posted on 06/10/2011 3:21:48 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
But he apparently owned a Diesel Truck. Clearly an indication of being Eurocentric rather than an American.

Which means as a Marine he was probably a double agent.
200 posted on 06/10/2011 4:24:21 PM PDT by microgood
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