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'Unpaid Student Loan' Raid Claim Refuted as Feds Target California Couple in Fraud Probe
Fox News ^ | 6-9-11 | Fox News

Posted on 06/10/2011 7:51:40 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998

A California man who initially claimed to a local television station that he was roughed up by "SWAT team" members who allegedly battered down his front door to execute a search warrant related to his estranged wife's unpaid student loans was targeted due to an ongoing probe into alleged financial aid fraud.

Local law enforcement officials have thus far not commented on the Stockton man's claim to ABC News 10/KXTV that he was grabbed by the neck and placed in handcuffs in back of a patrol car for six hours as his three children looked on during execution of the search warrant on Tuesday.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: cops; deptofed; education; holder; holderspeople; jbts; kennethwright; oig; police; raid; stockton; stocktonswat; studentloan; swat
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To: Elendur

Levin covered this on his program Wed and also read the OIG update. He was shocked to learn that the DOE had a law-enforcement arm.

Levin then raised a bigger question: How many departments in the Fed Gov’t have law-enforcement arms? He said regardless of what the facts are in this specific case, he planned to look into the larger question.

I couldn’t find the FR thread for Levin’s program last night & did not hear his show, but no doubt we will be hearing more on this from him.


121 posted on 06/10/2011 9:09:44 AM PDT by thouworm
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To: SZonian

When one pulls in a red herring, it means that they lost the debate. When one tries to deflect to another unrelated matter, it means that they lost on this one.

Nice job conceding. I appreciate it.


122 posted on 06/10/2011 9:10:57 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998
But according to a federal search warrant provided to the station by Wright, the Wrights are being investigated for alleged financial aid fraud.

"Financial Aid Fraud" = not paying back loans, possibly.

Sounds to me like the jury's still out on this one.

123 posted on 06/10/2011 9:11:31 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Mr Rogers; free me

I’ve had second-hand dealings with Cato ... and can assure you I have heard people who live/work in DC, and who should know better, refer to it as “right wing” and “left wing” (depending on their perspective). I.e., as I understand it, they lost a LOT of conservative support when they opposed the Iraq war. And, of course, it is very favorable to the homosexual agenda. Whatever sarcasm Mr Rogers intended gets lost in the reality of how Cato is perceived (and operates).


124 posted on 06/10/2011 9:12:19 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: freedomwarrior998

I am more than certain that “the law” you originally referenced was legislated much later than the Founders. Regardless of all of the citations you post, the fact is that neither you nor I can fully understand the law. Heck, we see everyday that the “authors of laws” don’t even understand them and that even Judges interpret them differently.

Your posted claim to “know the law” without fail is all I need to know about your perspective.

BTW, I never made any declaration of which side of this particular issue that I would take. What I did respond to was first the fact that you posted an excerpt that said absolutely nothing, then you claim that any (or all) force is acceptable in executing a warrent (murder?) and finally you claim to “know the law” without fail.

You are clearly pushing an agenda and that is all I addressed. Feel free to continue to call me names, I have thick enough skin to take it.


125 posted on 06/10/2011 9:13:04 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

Dude, you were wrong on the K9 story and when corrected you ran. That’s cowardice.

I conceded nothing. You aren’t worth anymore of my time.

Like I said before, have a fine day.


126 posted on 06/10/2011 9:14:20 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: RowdyFFC

Government workers must be aclimatized to doing as they’re told, even going armed to be used as disposable pawns in the coming ‘unsettling’ times of our near future.


127 posted on 06/10/2011 9:14:20 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: freedomwarrior998
"Who elected or appointed you to make determinations about probable cause?"

It's supposed to be a government of the People, not a Police State for the benefit of the Masters.

128 posted on 06/10/2011 9:14:26 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: freedomwarrior998; SZonian
Deflection. Look it up. You’ll learn something.

Hey Jackwagon.

I gave you the definition for libertine
and you seem incapable of learning it's use


129 posted on 06/10/2011 9:14:44 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

I note a couple of characteristics about this poster...Abandon a thread where he is shown to be wrong or just revert to attacking poster’s character.

Has yet to address any of the points brought up by others...


130 posted on 06/10/2011 9:19:49 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: freedomwarrior998
You didn't answer the questions. Who was arrested? This was a paramilitary operation conducted by the DOE against innocent civilians. The facts are based on non-party witness accounts. This was not a police operation serving a warrant. A court subpoena, requested from and issued by the local LEOs was all that was required and constitutionally mandated.

Your screen name was chosen to mislead. I think your days here are numbered.
131 posted on 06/10/2011 9:21:17 AM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/AW12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: SZonian
I think he is off his meds.

132 posted on 06/10/2011 9:23:22 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: microgood

Is there a copy of the warrant on the internet?


133 posted on 06/10/2011 9:23:22 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: EDINVA
“...the CATO Institute is a well known leftist organization,...”

I think there was a missing sarcasm tag.
134 posted on 06/10/2011 9:24:27 AM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/AW12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: conservonator
To the JBT’s and their bootlickers - we are ALL “criminals” until proven innocent.

There seems no need in this case for any sudden entry at all. Arrest the guy at work and search his place at your leisure.

Sheesh. Those doughnut eating union fatasses really have feces for brains.

135 posted on 06/10/2011 9:26:01 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: King Moonracer
At first I was doing the math just as you did... And then I did further reading and discovered that the force conducting the "dynamic entry" (as it is called in LE circles) was made up of actual employees of the OIG for the DOE (I like the initials as it saves typing). They made a request that one Stockton police officer be present during the raid, I guess for the purposes of professional courtesy and so that they could stand outside and talk while the Stockton officer stayed with the man being held in the patrol car. (Feds are big on using local LE this way... Especially the Secret Service when in Nashville - I have witnessed it.)

So the DOE has a "Fraud Search Warrant Team" (mustn't call them SWAT lest we offend someone, you know?) that knocks down doors while heavily armed so that they can get those fraudsters... I guess to those kids it really wouldn't matter what you called the team coming through the door.

Now, having grown up in a LE household, and having worked undercover myself many, many years ago (before the militarization of most LE began) let me quote my police officer father's statement just before he retired: "I'm glad to be getting out, because my days as a Field Training Officer will be done. These kids they are sending out of the academy these days aren't taught to think any more - they are taught 'You've got to get them before they get you!', but the academy isn't teaching the kids who the 'them' is..."

That, from my father who retired in 1988... I left the work a couple a years earlier and went another route. Very thankful I did. It seems that common sense law enforcement has been replaced by brute force law enforcement.

Regards
Raven6

136 posted on 06/10/2011 9:29:56 AM PDT by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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To: SZonian

This thread isn’t about the K9, you keep deflecting because you lost here. You conceded whether you want to admit it or not.


137 posted on 06/10/2011 9:30:44 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Mr Rogers
Maybe he means he want to make war on freedom. That would fit.

Yep. Why pick a board where the mission statement is about freedom and constitutional law? The first post had already established the authoritarian credentials. Now it is about establishing what type of troll we are dealing with.
138 posted on 06/10/2011 9:30:59 AM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/AW12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: allmendream
Arrest the guy at work and search his place at your leisure.

There was no arrest warrant issued. They had no authority to arrest anyone.

139 posted on 06/10/2011 9:31:58 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: Paladin2
It's supposed to be a government of the People, not a Police State for the benefit of the Masters.

The founders created a Republic, not a democracy. The Constitution places the judicial power of the United States, which includes determining probable cause, not in Palidin2, but in the Judiciary. Your personal interpretation of what constitutes probable cause is not in conformity with the Constitution.

140 posted on 06/10/2011 9:32:49 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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