Posted on 06/08/2011 1:02:48 PM PDT by petitfour
KGUN9 News viewers have been requesting more information about the scene of the May 5 SWAT shooting that killed former U.S. Marine Jose Guerena. Some have asked whether any drawings exist to show what happened in the house where the raid took place.
Investigators have not released any drawings, but crime scene photographs issued late last week do give an idea of what happened. The picture gallery above provides highlights from more than a thousand photos that investigators have released to the media so far.
According to the raid video and to testimony contained in various documents made public so far, here is what happened on the morning of the raid:
(Excerpt) Read more at kgun9.com ...
If he had been behind on student loan.... the Feds might have been in on it, too.
At the link I saw 1 pic not the gallery.
I saw nothing really new about the incident. Only that the first man in the house saw Guerena swing the rifle toward him and he opened fire. The other officers thought Guerena had fired and also opened fire.
The statement that it was 45 seconds between the first siren sound and the last gunshot is dumbfounding. How can they do all they said they did (siren, knock, shooting exchange) in 45 seconds?
More evidence of why we don’t want or need swat teams.
Mistake or otherwise. Two officers unarmed in civilian clothes are all that is needed for a search warrant. The public does not need to be at risk the police take the risk, it is part of the job.
Overwhelming force, equals bang bang you are dead, and forty five seconds isn’t a lot of decision time when there is an entire team with guns at the ready, and you happen to be a sleepy civilian without a clue.
Not saying this wasn’t a valid raid under present law, just saying in my world the police would be far less powerful and brutal in their response.
Yes, this is insanity.
Now this is illuminating:
U.S. Department of Education Office of Inspector General
http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/oig/ireports.html
THIS is where that insanity originated.
Look at the list of Investigations they have performed.....
UMMMMH UMMMMH MMMH!
SWAT teams are fine, but they are misused. I noticed at least two depictions of Mary, so they were obviously religious. I would call this 2nd degree murder.
Photo 9 is interesting. Many of the shots are clustered near the base of the wall just above or below the tape. Shot while down?
G*dd*mn them. I am even more pissed now than I was before. I think I need to leave this thread before I say somethign to get me banned.
I want indictments, trials, convictions, and executions under 18USC242 for this. Nothing, and I mean nothing less will satisfy me.
“If he had been behind on student loan.... the Feds might have been in on it, too.”
As long as these guys are piking us off one at a time, most Americans will just pull their draperies shut and turn up the volume on “American Pickers”.
I felt relief that the student loan defaulter was hit and not the old guys that still owe a few bucks in taxes. </sarc>
We live in a police state. The only question any of us need ask is, “Am I going to be on of the lucky ones whose door isn’t kicked in at 6am?” ... because the police are at the wrong house, or at a house where someone USED to live, or because you are behind on your student loans, taxes, business licenses, auto tag, proof of insurance, etc., etc., etc.
Our militarized law enforcement has easier rules of engagement against US citizens than our military has against insurgents in Afghanistan.
Thats where the cocker spaniel was sleeping and a hugh threat against the swat team.
“I want indictments, trials, convictions, and executions under 18USC242 for this. Nothing, and I mean nothing less will satisfy me.”
Be prepared to remain unsatisfied. This will get a wash like Ruby Ridge and Waco. This is domestic terror.
“Our militarized law enforcement has easier rules of engagement against US citizens than our military has against insurgents in Afghanistan.”
Yes. We must be intimidated into general subservience. That is the point of the exercise.
Our militarized law enforcement has easier rules of engagement against US citizens than our military has against insurgents in Afghanistan.
Excellent point! I don’t think anyone could argue otherwise. Your point should share anyone scitless. We are a police state, generally, and only good luck, and statistics are on your side. One can only pray for a Natural death, before, you go down before swat, or obama care.
You need to see the gallery. The house is very clean. There are a lot of religious paintings on the walls. The guns were clean except for the AR15 which had a lot of dings and what I assume was blood splatter. Lots of shots hit the wall near the floor. I assume this is where he was laying on the ground and thus the bullet wounds to his body that travelled upward. Another thing about the autopsy story is that some of the bullets fragmented into 20+ pieces. I do not know ANYthing about guns and bullets, so I confess my ignorance here. Why would SWAT use bullets that shatter/splinter/whatever like that? They were sent to serve a search warrant on a person related to a person of interest in a drug investigation. Who fired that/those bullet(s)?
Was the killing of this guy intended to send a message to someone? Being related to the Celayas and their son-in-law looks to be bad luck. (The Celayas daughter and other son-in-law were murdered and their 2 year old grandchild was shot. And now their other daughter’s brother-in-law was killed by police though he had no criminal history other than being arrested because he was with the wrong people at the wrong time. He was not tried for anything.) Who are the Celayas?
Now is as good as time as any to bring the subject of SWAT team tactics up with your mayors and town councilors. Grab a friend, make an appointment and go do it.
>>We live in a police state. Our militarized law enforcement has easier rules of engagement against US citizens than our military has against insurgents in Afghanistan.<<
If you were a cop (or the Mayor), would you go to work ... to confiscate your neighbors guns knowing that there was a very good probability that your home would be burnt to the ground when you got home?
There are two possibilities. There is a type of ammunition called "frangibles" which are specifically designed to fragment into many tiny pieces on impact. Believe it or not, this is a safety feature so that high velocity rifle rounds don't pass straight through the target and strike something you don't want shot. IMO this is probably the most likely of the two.
The other is that 5.56 mm rounds are very light and very high velocity, usually around 2500 fps or so. Even a well made, high quality bullet that's spinning at 80,000 RMP and moving that fast can come apart on impact. Cheaper, less well made bullets in that caliber can fly apart pretty easily.
But since these SWAT goons don't have to pay for their ammo I'd bet that they were using the really expensive frangible stuff.
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I don't know. Have done no research on them. My interest in this is the use of a SWAT team when it was not warranted and the death of a X Marine (no such thing). All at the direction of a dufus political hack named Dupnik.
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