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RE :”If privatization were a part of the plan, then that plan would have to be eased in, and that would be why it wouldn’t have full impact on people close to retirement age. It would also only affect people younger than 55 on a sliding scale many years into the distance. I know a plan that uses a sliding scale that begins at 55 wouldn’t impact the system right away, but just after ten years from now it would begin to impact it.”

That particular plan doesnt ‘phase’ anything it. It picks winners and losers for attempted political reasons much like anything either side knows wont be popular. They got two contrary messages that are killing them:

Message 1) The proposed plan saves you from the death panels by moving your medical decisions from the government to the insurance companies (yes, I know they dont phrase it that way but that's the way it sounds, see #2)

Message 2) You people over 55 don't worry, we are going to leave you safely under the governments care so you should support this plan, don't look back at those other people under 55. If #1 doesn't sound that great now make believe you think we are doing them a favor anyway, we are saving the country.

Something much more reasonable would be to start the changes immediately and make them graduatual and for everyone and give retirees a choice of both options(privatization and death panels) , not another dictate.

What do you think would have happened if Pelosi passed though an Obama-care resolution in 2007 in the House when she became Speaker (with no power to get it into law) that made voters in certain electoral key states that they are exempt. You think voters in the other states would buy it?We wouldnt have Obama-care today if she tried that.

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On a more amusing note liberal Ed Schultz just came on (10 pm EST) and he is saying he loves Weiner but says he needs to resign NOW because this is the third night that the Weiner scandal is dominating the news cycle, and so progressive issues cannot be argued for and sold to voters. They cant get heard on the Ryan plan, or Scott Walker abusing the working (union) man, or tax cuts for the wealthy, or another jobs stimulus bill or any of that important stuff, meanwhile Democrats are split on if he should resign.

Schulz's text poll just asked if the scandal makes it harder for Democrats to get their progressive agenda passed.

I hear a little Weiner is on the way LOL

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That particular plan doesnt ‘phase’ anything it. It picks winners and losers for attempted political reasons much like anything either side knows wont be popular.

Exactly what plan do you mean by "that particular plan?" I don't think D1 named the plan in his post.