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To: Mr Rogers; EyeGuy
Is a man evil for making good decisions about his future?

As asked, this is a question overly presumptive. What was "good" about his decision way back then? The question presumes it was good. And what does that decision way back then have to do with a decision now? Things that were good at one time are not necessarily a good later.

For example it is good that children live in the house of their parents, are fed and clothed and otherwise wholly cared for by their parents. That it is, it is good while the children are under 16 or so. At 42 it is good for a man to be paying his own way!

At this time, given the burden that the man places on the debt shackled young, and on the taxpayers who also fund his "Retirement"--a life of unaccountable luxury and riches taken from others who made no current agreement with him.

Take your money at the time. Deferred payments for current work or goods are a form of theft from the future. Illegal, not usually. But when the future burdens others who were not part of the original arrangement--who had no say in it--it is immoral.

I get retirement pay too - from the military.
You aren't being paid by the military, you are being paid by me and my children, and my neighbors and my neighbors children. Do you send us thank you letters with each paycheck you receive?

We didn't hire you now, we can't fire you now, we can't even demand any current performance for work from you. To us, friend, you are now no more than a leech.

Moreover the Constitution itself should protect us from such pensioner leechism. In that precious document enacted only via generations of mighty struggle and sacrifices far greater than yours the Army and Navy are only funded a two-years at a time.

How is it any promise was made to you that is longer than two years? We allow for pensions to widows of husbands lost in a war, or to lose men seriously harmed by warfare, but to others? A man able to post here is able enough to earn his own way, and needs no charity of pension to survive.

I consider it deferred pay, and it was a huge part in my staying in for more than 10 years.
In other words you took the promise offered by politicians, who happily would enslave YOUR own grandchildren in debt to pay for it in order to keep you in a job for ten years-- TEN YEARS--that you wouldn't have taken otherwise.

You were willing to be unhappy, to support such loathsome political promises, to keep a needed job from improving (because if you had not been willing to fill the slot for intrinsically dishonest promises about the future they would have improved the job conditions), and to enslave the nest generation. How meritorious! Not!

Also see comment on "deferred pay" prior.


33 posted on 06/07/2011 10:29:03 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

“You aren’t being paid by the military, you are being paid by me and my children, and my neighbors and my neighbors children. Do you send us thank you letters with each paycheck you receive?

We didn’t hire you now, we can’t fire you now, we can’t even demand any current performance for work from you. To us, friend, you are now no more than a leech.”

You are not very bright, are you?

I am paid by the DOD. Yes, it is deferred payment. I delivered goods (service) on promise of future payments. It is no different than selling a car on an installment plan - the customer (taxpayer, citizen) takes the car (military service) and promises to make future payments.

No, I don’t send you letters thanking you for my retirement pay, nor did I thank you while on active duty. We had a business agreement. I did X, and in return you agreed to pay me Y now, and Z later. I kept my end of the deal, now I expect you to keep yours. If you do not, you are dishonest and a cheat and a thief.

“We allow for pensions to widows of husbands lost in a war, or to lose men seriously harmed by warfare, but to others? A man able to post here is able enough to earn his own way, and needs no charity of pension to survive.”

Again, we had an agreement. I kept my part, now I expect you to keep yours without bitching. If you had preferred, I’d have been willing to take a lump sum in advance - but you chose to buy my service on the installment plan. I accepted, and I delivered on my part - and now you want to weasel out of the contract.

You are not giving me charity. You are not ‘giving’ me squat. The payments are what you owe me. I kept my end of the bargain, but now you want to call it off.

I don’t care if your family pays me for 30 years. You agreed to do so before I accepted the contract. What part of a promise or a legal contract do you not understand?

I suppose you are one of those who buys a house, then refuses to pay - or to move out. You just want an excuse to keep back the money you promised to pay. Screw you!


36 posted on 06/07/2011 11:09:27 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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