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US trolling for Taliban to open talks
MSNBC ^ | 06/01/2011

Posted on 06/01/2011 9:40:10 AM PDT by Puppage

After 10 years of bloody battle in Afghanistan, After 10 years of bloody battle in Afghanistan, the United States is trolling for Taliban officials to talk peace with before the July drawdown of American troops.

Washington's special envoy, Marc Grossman, has a one-point agenda: to reconcile Afghanistan's warring factions, say Western diplomats in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

But as Washington seeks negotiating partners, it has little knowledge of who among the Taliban has the clout to make talks worthwhile.

Grossman, therefore, is trying for access to Mullah Mohammed Omar, the one-eyed Taliban leader, according to Imtiaz Gul, head of the Center for Research and Security Studies in Islamabad, Pakistan's capital.

In a meeting earlier this month in Islamabad, Gul said Grossman told him that he was looking for "persons or groups who can provide us access to Mullah Omar, who can demonstrate their ability to approach Mullah Omar and get him on board, who can get through to Mullah Omar to open talks."

Finding a genuine interlocutor is a slippery business.

Heavily sanctioned and largely ostracized during their rule, many members of the Taliban leadership are not known to U.S. officials..

Washington's special envoy, Marc Grossman, has a one-point agenda: to reconcile Afghanistan's warring factions, say Western diplomats in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

But as Washington seeks negotiating partners, it has little knowledge of who among the Taliban has the clout to make talks worthwhile.

Grossman, therefore, is trying for access to Mullah Mohammed Omar, the one-eyed Taliban leader, according to Imtiaz Gul, head of the Center for Research and Security Studies in Islamabad, Pakistan's capital.

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....the United States is trolling for Taliban officials to talk peace with before the July drawdown of American troops.

In other words....we're gunna leave next month & we'd like to talk with you about playing nice after we go, 'k?

WTF? How much more weakness does this administration want to show?

1 posted on 06/01/2011 9:40:12 AM PDT by Puppage
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2 posted on 06/01/2011 9:42:48 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Puppage

It is going to be April 29, 1975 all over again.

The criminally naive village idiot in the White House actually thinks he can talk and reason with these subhuman savages. He has the intellect of a 4 year old.


3 posted on 06/01/2011 9:44:05 AM PDT by NWFLConservative (Game On.......Fight Like a Girl!!...............Saracuda in 2012)
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To: Puppage

There is nothing called the ‘moderate Taliban’

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/mj-akbar/the-siege-within/There-is-nothing-called-the-moderate-Taliban/articleshow/4390292.cms

The Times of India

Apr 12, 2009, 12.44am IST

If necessity is the mother of invention then politics is often the father. Barack Obama has invented a phrase that did not exist on January 20, the day he became president. Anxious to win a war through the treasury rather than the Pentagon, he has discovered something called the “moderate Taliban” in Afghanistan. Joe Biden, his vice president, has found the mathematical coordinates of this oxymoron: only 5% of the Taliban are “extremists”.

Welcome to Obama’s first big mistake.

The war in Afghanistan and Pakistan is not simply against some bearded men and beardless boys who have been turned into suicide missionaries. The critical conflict is against the ideology of a chauvinistic theocracy that seeks to remould the Muslim world into a regressive region from which it can assault every aspect of modernity, whether that be in political space or the social sphere.

Washington has a single dimension definition of “moderate”: anyone who stops an active, immediate war against the US is a “moderate”. Let me introduce him to a couple of “moderate Taliban”. They are now world famous, having been on every national and international news channel these past few days, stars of a video clip from Swat. Two of them had pinned down a 17-year-old girl called Chand Bibi, while a third, his face shrouded, lashed her with a whip 37 times on suspicion of being seen with a man who was not her father or brother.

Obama should record the screams of Chand Bibi and play them to his daughters as the “moderate” music to which he wants to dance in his Afghan war.

These Taliban are “moderate” by the norms of the Obama Doctrine: they have come to a deal with America through Islamabad. Pakistani troops are not engaged in their medieval haven, nor are American Drones bombing their homes. All that remains, one presumes, is that they are placed on the Pentagon payroll as insurance of their ceasefire.

Perhaps, in their desperate search for moderation, Obama and Islamabad will promote the denial being manipulated into public discourse. The unbearable Swat-lashing video is now described as fake. It would be nice to know the names of the actors who played such a convincing part in the filming of this ‘fake’. Chand Bibi has “denied” any such incident. Sure: but was any doctor sent to check the scars?

Such compromise with ‘moderation’ has also taken place next door, in Afghanistan, under the watchful eye of American ally Hamid Karzai. He has just signed a family law bill which compels Afghan women to take permission from their husbands before going to a doctor, seeking education, or getting a job. The husband has become complete master of the bedroom. Custody of children can only go to fathers or grandfathers; women have no rights. A member of Afghanistan’s upper house, Senator Humaira Namati, has called this law “worse than during the Taliban (government). Anyone who spoke out was accused of being against Islam”. It makes no difference to the Taliban, of course, that the Quran expressly forbids Muslim men from forcing decisions on their wives “against their will”. Karzai’s justification is the usual one: politics. He wanted the support of theocrats in the election scheduled for August this year. Under pressure, there is talk of a review but no one is sure what that means.

If it’s democracy, it must be “moderate”, right?

One can understand a post-Iraq America’s reluctance towards wars that seem straight out of Kipling. But we in the region have to live with the political consequences of superpower intervention, and the casual legitimacy that Obama is offering to a destructive ideology will create blowback that spreads far beyond the geography of “Afpak”.

Benazir Bhutto and the ISI did not create the Taliban in the winter of 1994 for war against America. Its purpose was to defeat fractious Afghan warlords, and establish a totalitarian regime that would equate Afghanistan’s strategic interests to Pakistan’s. The ISI conceived an “Afpak” long before the idea reached the outer rim of Washington’s thinking. Pakistan worked assiduously to widen the Taliban’s legitimacy and would have drawn America into the fold through the oil-pipeline siren song if Osama bin Laden had not blown every plan apart. In some essentials, things have not changed. Pakistan’s interests still lie in a pro-Islamabad Taliban regime in Kabul. The “moderation” theory is a ploy to provide war-weary America with an exit point. India’s anxieties will be offered a smile in public and a shrug in private.

History is uncomfortable with neat closures. Neither the Taliban nor Pakistan are what they were in 1994: the former
is much stronger, the latter substantially weaker. The fall of Kabul to the Taliban this time could be a curtain raiser to the siege of Islamabad.

There is nothing called a moderate lash, or backlash, President Obama.


4 posted on 06/01/2011 9:44:07 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: NWFLConservative

That is an insult to 4-year olds!


5 posted on 06/01/2011 9:45:11 AM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: Puppage

Probably not a real great idea.

6 posted on 06/01/2011 9:49:44 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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To: BenLurkin

The stinking cheeze-eating surrender monkey French have more backbone than Obummer.

What the heck is going on? We are not going to “negotiate” with the same terrorists who supported and harbored BinLaden all these years? Who continue to engage in terrorist activities?

The list of absolute proof that Barrack Hussein Obama is a full-blown traitor beyond even Benedict Arnold is obvious to anyone with more than 1.5 semi-funcitoning brain cells...

Our constitution is being shredded every day, our military being systematically destroyed, our economy dismantled, we are directly supporting AlQaeda in Egypt, Libya, and across the Middle East, and the list goes on....

And those with the sworn responsibility to protect our nation and her constitution are doing absolutely nothing about it... from our CONgress who should have long-ago started impeachment proceedings, to our men and women in the armed forces who are ALL refusing to do their sworn duty to defend the nation from enemies both foreign and domestic.


7 posted on 06/01/2011 9:52:02 AM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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You people are too quick to dismiss O'Bummer's brilliant plan to get us out of Afghanistan. If you read between the lines of his proposal, all we need do is let the Taliban take over the government and what are they gonna do next?
Fight against themselves?
I don't think so. Zero's plan is so sublime that of course many of us believe that it's tantamount to surrender. Naw, it just looks that way. Stop being so pessimistic and it will be clear to all just like it is to Zero and his new best friend, Mullah Omar. Imagine the photo Omar must have sent Hussein to get him to pony-up the whole nation of Afghanistan, for nothing.
8 posted on 06/01/2011 10:15:48 AM PDT by Larry381 (If in doubt, shoot it in the head and drop it in the ocean!)
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To: Puppage

In other words, we lost.


9 posted on 06/01/2011 11:53:05 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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