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To: arrogantsob

What an ignorant cop out. A) No standing military was intended for the U.S. B) Federal Government should be shrunk in size to a miniscule operation C) An apportioned opt out tax (Tarriff) is the only constitutiional tax (The 16th ammendment was never ruled to have the authority to tax individuals, which is why it is touted as “voluntary”). D) Trade with foreign countries AT ALL is optional. E) Free trade is neither “Free” nor maximizes freedom.

Until you grow up and learn to do anything but dictate from your high horse, just a few the holes in your cop out have been adressed. Do me a favor, and don’t get back to me. I already understand you have little understanding of freedom, nor economics, merely a shady view of how to maximize exploitation for the profitability of a few. No thanks. That’s not what patriotism, Constitutional Government, nor strong Sovereignty is about.


118 posted on 05/31/2011 10:44:35 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JDW11235
Do me a favor, and don’t get back to me. I already understand you have little understanding of freedom, nor economics, merely a shady view of how to maximize exploitation for the profitability of a few. No thanks. That’s not what patriotism, Constitutional Government, nor strong Sovereignty is about.

Most of the Free Traitors around here are graduates of the Judas Iscariot School of Business.

133 posted on 06/01/2011 7:29:28 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: JDW11235

Let me give you a brief history lesson. There was only a tiny military until the War with Mexico. In fact, it was so small that indian tribes defeated it until Anthony Wayne took charge in the 1790s. The War of 1812 almost turned into a disaster because the Jeffersonians had weakened the military so much. And a British army of 5,000 troops BURNED down our capital.

After the Mexican War the army shrank again to miniscule size. It had to be built anew when the Slavers tried to destroy the Union. It shrank again to small size after their defeat. As did the government. This happened again after the Spanish American War and WWI AND WWII though after the latter the army was still large. Had our army not been retained at a larger size the cost of fighting the Soviets would have been much greater and possibly unsuccessful.

You really should read and UNDERSTAND the constitution before blathering on about what it says. It mentions Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises as means of raising revenue. “Taxes” was NOT limited to tariffs. Had it been intended to be only tariffs the Founders would have said so. They had no problem excluding several forms of taxation: export taxes, and certain taxes by states nor did they have a problem of specifying how “direct” or capitation taxes were to be levied. So your statement regarding tariffs as the only constitutional tax is dead wrong as Article I, Section 8 and 9 clearly show.

Shrinking the size of the fedgov was not a part of this conversation but you should recognize the fact that it would INCREASE the power of the corporations you pillory. And it should be clear that it is the size it is because that is what the voters wanted. In order to change that one must change their minds about it.

Of course, we don’t have to trade with any other nation. We can become an economic backwater trying to hide from the realities of the world until they explode in our faces.

Free Trade maximizes everyone’s overall freedom and wealth not just the “few” the Left is always touting as our enemy.

Spouting off crackpot ideas doesn’t address any “holes” but only show the degree of your ignorance and just how brainwashing by the Left is infecting even a site like this.
This is the danger of Class Warfare.

While Free Trade has never truly existed for political reasons, the closer we get to it the more efficiently economic resources are allocated, the higher production/employment and wealth levels (in both nations) are achieved and the more competition improves everyone’s economies.

But you and Ron Paul seem to be more concerned with punishing other nations rather than raising economic output.


150 posted on 06/01/2011 10:12:18 AM PDT by arrogantsob
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