Posted on 05/28/2011 1:49:58 AM PDT by petitfour
Records released by the Pima County Sheriff's Department this week show that the four houses served with search warrants the morning of May 5 - when Jose Guerena was shot and killed by a SWAT team - are less than four miles apart and are all connected to the Guerena family.
And while initial reports were that doctors told the Guerena family that Jose had been shot 60 times, the Pima County medical examiner's preliminary report says he was shot 22 times. In its sole briefing on the incident, the Sheriff's Department said SWAT team members fired 71 rounds.
Aside from releasing more than 500 pages of documents about the incident, the department has remained mum since the May 10 briefing.
The raid netted drugs, large amounts of cash, bulletproof vests, about 30 cellphones and a stolen vehicle, records show, but no arrests have been made.
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No, it’s a fact that they could have arrested him without incident. Any two morons could have done it. It’s also a fact that no-knock warrants are un-Constitutional.
Don’t let hyperbole get the best of you. There are few ‘cop haters’ on FR.
What I read regularly is people very concerned with laws that destroy liberty, create a mismatch between cops and ‘civlivians’ (cops are civilians) and the general change from police to paramilitary LE.
None of those three trends are good, not for America and are essentially unAmerican.
If police find large amounts of drugs in your neighbors home 4 miles away during a search warrant, does that mean you are part of a drug conspiracy too. Just let me know and I will call 911. LOL.
What is considered a “large amount of marijuana” these days? The report says the house where “Most of the cash and drugs” were found had a “bag of marijuana in the stove.”
“it’s a fact that they could have arrested him without incident.”
The warrant was for search...not arrest.
And they could have easily searched the house while no one was at home.
Right. Shooting people over misdemeanor warrants,shooting family pets for no reason other than barking at them, more and more often we see the abuse of police power.And little or no consequences even for raiding the wrong home and shooting the occupants.
It seems as though in this case, the police could have picked the guy up at his work, got him as he walked from his house to his car, or followed him in his car to a store or some place away from his residence. This incident reeks of Waco and Ruby Ridge.
Actually that does not mean that he was only shot 22 times. It means that 22 of the rounds that hit him were considered to have been lethal. Perhaps he was only hit by 22 rounds. The statement does not say that, though.
Yep, it is too early on a holiday weekend for me to have this sick feeling in my gut.
Then why not conduct the search while the children are at school and the dead man was working his normal 12 hour shift at the mine?
Logic would dictate that would be safer for the police and prevent a barricade situation since it is a search and not an arrest warrant.
But then you don’t to dress up and play US Navy SEAL while driving to a location with music on in an armor vehicle.
“If police find large amounts of drugs in your neighbors home 4 miles away during a search warrant, does that mean you are part of a drug conspiracy too.”
You’re confusing the scenario. The investigation and warrants were due to involvement in illegal drug activity. The evidence found came later and in one of the suspected houses.
Your scenario doesn’t fit.
“What I read regularly is people very concerned with laws that destroy liberty”
Well that is something we can all agree on. But I see a lot of hyperbole such as “jack-boots, thugs, police state”, and presumption of guilt due to being a police officer.
I hope you also have a couple of dogs for them to shoot so maybe they don’t have to shoot you or a family member. On a SWAT raid shooting is optional and dogs are the default targets.
You are confusing the facts.
1) No one has been arrested nearly 3 weeks later since the raid. Where is the pay off?
2) The dead man has no criminal history and nothing illegal was found at his home according to the police. Where is the evidence of an illegal drug conspiracy tying the murdered man to anything?
There is zero there, no arrests, no case.
Great job.
Fixed it for you since you don't want to be honest about it.
“Then why not conduct the search while the children are at school and the dead man was working his normal 12 hour shift at the mine?”
I agree.
I challenge you to link to one post that says that. You will fail.
That's just your opinion. /s LOL
Presumption of bad motives and, yes, guilt for SWAT members. I’ll go for that. My brother-in-law participated in a lot of those and eventually was the chief for the region for those actions for the state ATF. His warm reminiscences are chilling, not for the dangers faced by the agents but for the attitudes expressed by the guys doing the deeds.
There are multiple threads on FR right now with people assuming guilt of police officer actions. Further, conspiratorial “police-state” theories abound.
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