In statements made to detectives after the shooting of Guerena, one deputy stated he opened fire after seeing a man pointing a rifle in his direction. He said he felt his own life and the lives of his teammates were in danger when he opened fire.
He was unsure how many bullets he fired.
Another officer stated he kept shooting “until his weapon ran dry” that is he ran out of bullets. He said he saw a muzzle-flash, and thought one of the officers had been hit, when he opened fire.
The big question still remains unanswered. Who fired the first shot?. Was it Guerena or a SWAT team officer? Did Guerena fire at all?
All of that is still under investigation at this hour. Sheriffs officials have declined to comment. The sheriff says he will release a statement, at a later date when he has more information to share.
Either open your door with open arms and have your family attacked by thugs pretending to be cops or get mowed down by cops acting worse than thugs. Great choices.
How come Dupnik’s lawyer said they knocked for 45 seconds??? Is anyone telling the truth anymore??? Anywhere in the gubt?
Is this the same AZ sheriff that claims that there was no reason for the AZ illegal immigration legislation (also the same one that doesn’t like Arpaio?)
This case will end like 99.99% of other like cases. The thugs followed procedure. Bang bang you’re dead!
The reason for the search has been sealed by the courts. IOWs, coverup in progress. Before they are done, this Marine will be a child molesting, drug dealing, serial killer, and a threat to national security.
BTW, there is no such thing as an “ex-Marine.”
Only thing I got out of that video was the fact that the guy with the camera was hiding behind a vehicle.
Despite my previous posts, this action seems to stink to high Heaven.
If that was me behind that door with a loaded AK, my field of fire would have let me take out four men in a second once that door hit the floor.
Retards.
Which is something the pro drug abusing cop haters who are using well meaning FReepers as tools to their agenda jumped on as being a big lie that proved this was murder.
Well, this video at least settles that question.
Crush LEO Unions.
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Seems to me the SWAT team only does the entry, the investigation and obtaining of the warrant is done by others, no ? I always thought SWAT teams just got their orders and went in, assuming they had a valid arrest to make and it was some kind of drug den with potentially numerous armed and dangerous people with long rap sheets.
I don’t know, but seems like if a warrant was issued, they would have done a background check of the resident. I would they they should have noted a military record and the job, which wouldn’t one think that perhaps this is at least somewhat of a stand-up guy ? Perhaps he simply could have been arrested when driving into the driveway coming home from work by regular police ?
It makes no sense that a SWAT team was ordered in where only a husband, wife and child were living. With no serious rap sheet, why could this guy not have been even sent a letter to come down to HQ for an interview - I bet he would have.
What ever happened to investigation ? Hmmm... somethings smells rotten in Pima County...
Here is the scenario if you combine the video and the wife’s statements:
Guy in bed. Siren or car alarm goes off for 8 seconds. 0+14 Doesn’t pay much attention, but wife shows up saying she’s scared.
0+20 Rolls out of bed. Grabs rifle and tells the wife to hide.
0+28 Leaves bedroom.
0+30 End of hall, looking at the door.
Between 0+20 & 0+30, the police are saying something...identifying themselves, but hard to understand from the guy standing outdoors & 20 feet away. During this time, the guy is probably in his bedroom & talking with his wife. He’s probably been up for 10 seconds or so. Odds of hearing the cops? Not great.
0+33 Door opens from kicks.
0+40 Cops open fire.
What was the guy doing between 0+33 & 0+40? Well, he’s probably been awake for under 30 seconds. He probably been out of the bedroom for 10 seconds. The safety is on.
At 0+40, the cops open fire. The guy has not shot, but they see a man with a gun and the cops react.
For the sake of argument, let’s suppose this happened to me. The wife wakes me and tells me someone is at the door trying to get in. There was a car alarm or siren - don’t know which. I’d grab my 44 and go to look, and would probably get to the door about the time the cops came thru.
I would probably start to raise my gun, realize they were cops, and be lowering it at the same time the bullets start hitting me.
FWIW, I think the Marine was probably involved in crime. But if it happened at my house, I’d be just as dead, and we don’t normally give the death penalty to even violent criminals.
That is where my problem lies: Combine forced entry with a homeowner inclined to defend himself, and you have death by search warrant. And that is unacceptable in America.
good intel, great weapon control, nice target acquisition and fire discipline. I guess thats what they mean by "special" weapons and tactics.
nothing more than a group of guys from the police bowling team or softball team with super-dee-duper gear. Well he was only a former Marine, working the graveyard shift, defending his house and expecting some form of professionalism and competence from law enforcement personnel assigned to protect his family and himself for the taxes he paid. If his squad had done this in Iraq he'd have JAG so far up his a** that he wouldn't walk straight for years.
these guys will get together, have a beer and tell themselves how really great they are. Then collect some job related workers comp disability in addition to some overtime enhanced pension. Cause the really important thing for the SWAT team is to "come home safely" after their shift. Just ask them. F'ing clown posse , keystone-kops
Release the warrant, not some edited-for-tv snuff film.
Where is Henry Bowman?
I want to ask any LEO here a question. I have friends who are cops and I will have to ask them about this later too.
My question is - am I wrong to think that in general law enforcement techniques are being taught that are counter to the old style ‘peace officer’ approach. Probably being taught in the guise of ensuring your safety, and probably with (what I consider to be a lie) that you are making the public safer too. Is this true?
When I was younger cops were pretty easy going unless you were a real bad guy, and now they will even wrestle grandma to the floor, break her back, and make her “comply.” This is a VAST change in this country.
I think this madness comes from the top. Unfortunately most who support you are starting to re-think that support based on these ‘over the top’ paramilitary tactics. And if you don’t like them you should tell the PBA to stop making you have to follow sick compliance rules.
Opinions guys (and girls), did you think what I wrote is accurate about the change in teaching technique?