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To: Durus
I've seen no evidence that Libertarians want to give up morals...what do you mean?

Are you serious???

They are pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage, pro-porn; pro-prostitution, no restrictions of any kind on the above.

Those all ARE moral issues, you know.

579 posted on 05/27/2011 9:18:25 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
I consider myself libertarian and I don't agree with your assessment. I am very much against abortion, pornography and homosexual marriage.

I have no problem with so-called civil unions for homosexuals, but I want the definition of marriage to stay the same. Abortion is murder, IMO. Pornography and prostitution is for losers.

I may lose some libertarian credentials but I would be okay with abortion being illegal in almost all cases.

593 posted on 05/27/2011 9:33:23 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: metmom
I am serious, in fact I'm constantly told that it's a failing of mine.
Libertarian's morality may be different from yours but they are moral in their own way. I've talked Libertarians around on abortion (not that they are unified in being pro-abortion), because once they get past the irrational liberal talking points it is clear that abortion is murder. I've talked libertarians around on homosexual-marriage because once they get past the liberal talking points it's easy for them to grasp that it's not a enumerated power of government to regulate that which is a religious and cultural institution.

Porn and prostitution are both immoral, in my view, but libertarians don't see it that way. No force or fraud is required to perpetrate either. That is their moral standard. What is your moral standard?

I'm sure you aren't saying that government has unlimited power to regulate anything at all and that you do believe in the constitution which carefully enumerates the (only legitimate) powers of government.

The times in which we live are not very unique. We are not facing new unique problems. People are the same vain, selfless, selfish, caring, hateful, heroic, venal, loving race that we have ever been. We live in a unique nation however, one that was created by selfless brilliant people that risked everything and succeeded against all odds. In a very real way we are a miracle nation, one that we have had to fight and bleed and die for. Remember our fallen heroes, not only on this Memorial day but everyday, because without them who knows where we would be. They fought for their families, and their neighbors and their States. They fought for their honor and their Nation. They fought for our constition.

We, here, sitting in front of our computers, should not be thinking about ways to twist our constitution to mean things it plainly didn't. The constitution is our social contract, the foundation of our government and that which our society sprang from.

716 posted on 05/27/2011 11:34:14 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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