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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Marine_Uncle; GailA; stephenjohnbanker

This mini-discussion we were having relates to the future retiree personal perspective on this bill, as well as designing a reform proposal that does do go up into flames. But there is the other side to it, the somewhat hidden side.

Those other two freepers, one on this thread and the one on the other thread, were making a moral argument for the Ryan plan that went: ‘Why should anyone have to pay taxes to pay for anyone else’s health care(unless they were born before 1956) , even for a retiree that was forced to pay taxes to pay for other’s health care?(apparently born after 1956)’ They made the argument that if someone (born after 1956 apparently) doesnt save enough for their health care when they get old, why is that anyone else’s responsibility to do it? (And BTW :There is such thing as long term health care insurance, I know all about seniors options.) Then I threw out some unpleasant graphics to illustrate exactly what that would mean.

The problem is that this is NOT their argument. They are making the argument that they are ‘saving medicare’. If the above is the real argument than they shouldnt say they are ‘saving’ it. That is the part that annoys me the most.

Plus the whole 10 year delay thing ruins that moral argument anyway.


69 posted on 05/29/2011 1:31:02 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs

Understand. Thanks.


70 posted on 05/29/2011 1:45:28 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: sickoflibs

Entitlements are like benefits to some government union workers. If you make them unsustainable, any kind of reform will evoke resentment among those who would have collected those same benefits. In some cases, paying union dues is a requirement for employment.

The difference is that reforming union benefits won’t affect everyone. At least not unless some future federal government makes us all union members.


71 posted on 05/30/2011 7:17:19 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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