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To: GailA; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; dalebert; Qbert; jeltz25
RE :”I can’t answer for the Ryan plan as I don’t read legal language. And I’ve not seen much except the libs explanation of Ryan’s.

Very simple, they give you a cash credit that you can use to help pay for private insurance. And what would the ‘insurance market’ look like for you when you are 75+?? Take the problems those at 55 have getting insurance when unemployed and multiple by 50. Aging and living means becoming more amd more sick and disabled.

If this was actually made law (which it will never be), as soon as it was signed the sponsors would immediately start warning us to save every penny or suffer dire consequences in the 10 years or whenever we turn 65. That is the given rational of the 10 years delay.

Think I imagine this? Last night I got a tangle with a couple of STRONG supporters who first said the dire predictions were all lies(Rush says that here too) and that it saves seniors, but once pressed argued that if you are 75 and are paralyized with a stroke and dont have the $ 0.5-1M required to live in a nursing home that you should expect to be just left to die, and it was both morally correct, and necessary because the current approach is stealing and unaffordable. They definitely got mad that I would put them on the spot with this very common example which makes things look more grey than white. They know what the plan is about and what the talking points are.

That point is the obvious is true and voters know it. My point, just tell me the truth. That is my #1. Dont try to sell me silly talking points, I cannot be misled. I couldnt on Obama-care and I wont on this.

41 posted on 05/26/2011 8:26:03 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs
Think I imagine this? Last night I got a tangle with a couple of STRONG supporters who first said the dire predictions were all lies(Rush says that here too) and that it saves seniors, but once pressed argued that if you are 75 and are paralyized with a stroke and dont have the $ 0.5-1M required to live in a nursing home that you should expect to be just left to die, and it was both morally correct, and necessary because the current approach is stealing and unaffordable.

I saw that dialog. I couldn't figure out if Fred was an adult (he made some good points) or a two yesr old ("Please go drink your Kool-Aid over at DU").

But I'll play Devil's Advocate. Suppose we continue with the government in charge of health care (in fact more in control by the time Obama is gone). Will there be enough money to pay for all this? If not, then those seniors will be out of luck. Without controlling entitlements, taxes would have to go up, the private sector ruined and unable to help anyone. Down that path, it might be even worse for the seniors.

42 posted on 05/26/2011 8:51:21 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: sickoflibs

I’m sorry but until congress(dem and pubs) want to talk real cuts in Government spending I wont listen. They made the mess and now want us to pay for them to make a bigger one. anything to Keep on Spending.


58 posted on 05/28/2011 6:15:46 AM PDT by dalebert
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