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To: Mariner; garandgal; GailA; org.whodat; dalebert; Qbert; jeltz25; ncalburt
RE :”It begs the great moral dilemma of our age: How much and who decides? Obviously, when these are government programs the government decides through the direction of democratically elected officials. And, elected officials will NEVER advocate for “rationing” or cutting somebody off. NEVER. Won't happen. And that means the US and every Western Democracy will go into sovereign default. Complete financial destruction...so that ONLY the total destruction of all wealth and resources will be the end determinant.

See, I agree with that. That was why it was so important for House Republicans to keep their REAL promise to defund the NEW entitlement Obamacare before it becomes politically impossible to ‘take that away’ as it will be characterized. But they gave up on that real promise and moved to medicare oppose of last years positions which p,,ed off many of those here.

Medicare is a very difficult issue that splits even many conservatives here and I appreciate everyones opinions on it. It is morally complex and both practically and politically difficult to deal with because it is a ponzi tax scheme sold as an entitlement that we own, which we really cannot own.

I been reading both sides here the past few weeks and both sides have valid arguments. It is not back and white moral clean issue as Rush tries to make it out.

The 55 threshold political scheme negates most of the other arguments for the Ryan plan, it is it's weakest link that was added to try to get political support.

34 posted on 05/26/2011 11:16:14 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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” Medicare is a very difficult issue that splits even many conservatives here and I appreciate everyones opinions on it. It is morally complex and both practically and politically difficult to deal with because it is a ponzi tax scheme sold as an entitlement that we own, which we really cannot own. “

1) Medicare is rife with multi billions in fraud alone, and no money is spent to stop it. (Unlike the private sector, which does a good job of eliminating it)

2) Illegal immigrants

3) All doctors paid the same, whether they accomplish anything or not.

Fix these things, and it would make a huge difference. But federal programs are always incompetent.


36 posted on 05/26/2011 1:46:11 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs

I can’t answer for the Ryan plan as I don’t read legal language. And I’ve not seen much except the libs explanation of Ryan’s. But we’ve all read plenty from Heritage, WSJ, Wash Times, Examiner to know 0’care is BAD.

Now they need to explain Ryan’s plan in the same way.

I still want answers to questions I’m not getting. Is it all cut/gut or are they going to ‘fix’ the 40 years of palm greasing they built into Medicare that drive up the cost.

Why are they only asking lobbyist who are usually former congress critters. No asking the patients who are most affected. Medicare is RATIONED health care. You are allowed a certain amount of days in hospital for any given illness. Even if you really need a couple of more days.

I shake my head, because no one is listening to the common man. We see what is happening, we can tell them, they don’t want to listen to the SERFS.


40 posted on 05/26/2011 7:53:18 PM PDT by GailA (NO DEMOCRATS or RINOS in 2012!)
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