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Oregon Senate votes to end faith healing defense for medical care
The Oregonian ^ | 5/23/11 | Jeff Mapes

Posted on 05/23/2011 2:04:00 PM PDT by markomalley

Oregon is on the brink of ending the legal protection for parents who rely on faith healing instead of seeking medical care for their children.

On a 25-5 vote, the state Senate on Monday joined the House in passing a measure that was sparked by the heavily publicized deaths of children whose families belong to an Oregon City church, the Followers of Christ.

The Senate added a provision that would make House Bill 2721 take effect immediately after it is signed into law.  It now returns to the House, which is expected to quickly send it on to the governor.

Sen. Bruce Starr, R-Hillsboro, said the measure ensures that "all children and all families are treated equally under the law."

However, Sen. Fred Girod, R-Stayton, expressed the concern that it could subject some people to overly harsh punishment and the measure should have been considered by the budget committee since it could increase prison costs.

The legislative action comes as an Oregon City couple is standing trial this week for not seeking medical care for an 18-month-daughter with a serious eye problem that had left her nearly blind.  

Under current law, spiritual treatment can be used as a defense against some charges.  The bill would eliminate those defenses and parents choosing faith healing over medical treatment for a child who dies could face tough mandatory sentences.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: christianscience; christianscientist

1 posted on 05/23/2011 2:04:05 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
Maybe if God didn't want modern medicine to cure your child's eye aliment - God wouldn't have made it SO EASY to treat.

Reminds me of the guy who wanted to rely upon God to save hem when the flood came and turned away two boats and a helicopter. When he drowned he was very angry at God and said “I prayed, I had 100% faith that you would save me, and you let me down God!”. God says “I sent you two boats and a helicopter! What did you want?”

Easy. They wanted proof. They didn't want to have to rely upon faith, prayer, hope, and a good dose of medicine - they wanted direct intervention of God - complete with glowing lights and wholesome feelings - born on the wings of Angels.

Well guess what morons?

2 posted on 05/23/2011 2:11:39 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
These groups don't bat an eye at seeking the services of a doctor to set a broken bone.

This particular discontinuity in their belief systems has led me to come to the conclusion that there's SOME OTHER THING driving their rejection of modern medicine than merely religion.

Too much inbreeding over the last 4 centuries may have led to a concentration of some deleterious autosomal recessives in the core population for example ~ or maybe all of them suffer from the problem ~ could be as simple as anomalous liver function ~ still not all that treatable with modern medicine.

I think it's worthwhile picking some of them up (and there are thousands more out there in the Inter-mountain West you'd better believe) and doing an extensive study of them over time ~ in laboratory conditions.

Let's see what happens when they eat food for example ~ that's a recurring theme with this crowd ~ strange food fetishes. Could be they've been self-medicating simply because there are few options.

I know they wouldn't like it but if we sped the interrogations with something a bit more aggressive than you'd usually find in this country, they might talk.

3 posted on 05/23/2011 2:23:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

If they reject God’s healing when it comes through the hands of man they are fools.

I’m not sure about any forcing people like this though.


4 posted on 05/23/2011 2:26:14 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Forcing an adult, I agree.

Forcing an adult to seek out and acquire medical and dental care for their children is perfectly justified.

A State has the power and interest in making sure that the children citizens raise are properly cared for. Modern medicine is proper care. Faith healing is not.


5 posted on 05/23/2011 2:29:38 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: muawiyah

By the way, that’s all a joke, right?

Only an Alinskyite would really think like that of course


6 posted on 05/23/2011 2:36:56 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

I’m serious. They’ve brutalized and murdered quite enough of my relatives. Drag them in for some intense questioning.


7 posted on 05/23/2011 2:40:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Who has done what to your relatives?


8 posted on 05/23/2011 3:04:40 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Go to my homepage. Do that by clicking on myname on the response.


9 posted on 05/23/2011 3:13:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: markomalley

Doesn’t OR have an assisted-suicide law? Why is this OK, but denying services on religious grounds not OK?


10 posted on 05/23/2011 3:29:22 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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I can’t approve of letting a child die of appendicitis (old case) on religious grounds. An adult? Sure, that’s their decision, and if they want to be stupid enough to die of a curable disease, they can. Not their kids, though.


11 posted on 05/23/2011 3:39:11 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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I think you are missing my point. If someone wants to commit suicide, and is successful, there is no one to prosecute. But if someone can convince them to say on tape that they want to die, and then kills them, that is OK?

But a parent, who has deeply religious beliefs, does not want their child to see a doctor, then that is against the law?

I'm not saying that I condone either. But after you have the first law, the second seems hypocritical.

12 posted on 05/23/2011 4:29:32 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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