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To: ConservativeWarrior
Engine failure, either single or dual, is pure speculation. Turbulence on its own would not stop the engines. The only realistic way to stop the engines is to starve them of fuel or oxidizer. Either by running out of fuel, some sort of blockage in the lines, multiple fuel pump failures (every system has at least one back up system, and proper planning prevents fuel exhaustion). Complete engine failures (of all causes including mechanical) of modern jet engines is very rare. Ingestion of FOD has caused engine failure. Ingestion of massive quantities of water - virga - constitutes as FOD.

If the engines were to stop for whatever unlikely reason, the airplane does continue to fly. The only thing an airplane needs to fly is airspeed. Normally, the engines produce thrust which in turn gives airspeed, but without the engines altitude can be traded for airspeed. Just like on a roller coaster, as you go down, your speed increases. If you can go down at a controlled rate at an airspeed that produces the most lift with the least amount of drag (called L/D max, for maximum lift to drag ratio) most airplanes glide very well. A -16 has a glide ratio of akin to a 30,000 Lb metal cinder block (7 mile / 5,000'); well, perhaps a little better than a cinder block (it has wings). The pilot maintaines 210Kts + 4Kts / 1000 Lbs of gas and external stores (but only at 6o AoA). I've heard 737 have 15:1 glide ratio (15 miles glide per 1 mile altitude lost).

The details concerning engine out can be found in:

Per A319/A320/A321
FLIGHT CREW TRAINING MANUAL
REV 21 MAY 98
POWER PLANT
Following a dual engine failure the flight deck indications change drastically as generators drop off line, the RAT is deployed and ECAM prioritizes checklists. Control of the aircraft must be taken immediately by CM1, and a safe flight path established.

It is important at this stage to correctly identify the failure as it can be easily confused with all engine generators fault. ECAM will prioritize checklists so to avoid confusion read ECAM carefully to correctly identify the failure. It is vital to establish good crew communications and to apply efficient task-sharing.

Clearly if they are dealing w/unrealiable airspeed indicator scenario, they have some problems on their hands.


85 posted on 05/23/2011 3:22:43 PM PDT by raygun
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To: raygun

Disclosure: I’m a private pilot an an ex-USAF avionics mechanic (C-5s). I understand how to trade energy in flight, and which systems can fail on large jet aircraft.

Losing both engines would be rare, but possible.

If it were to occur, the Unreliable Airspeed procedure wouldn’t be valid, as it calls for pitch & thrust combinations.


95 posted on 05/24/2011 5:23:17 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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