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To: SmithL

This is a huge threat to our freedom. The left-wing will manipulate the vote in every election under a system of the popular vote.

Out of all of the very difficult issues we all have to deal with this one is possibily the most dangerous. This is a straight forward effort by socialists to undermine the electoral process and rig elections.


12 posted on 05/19/2011 6:19:55 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf
This is a straight forward effort by socialists to undermine the electoral process and rig elections.

Close, actually it is a step toward making the Electoral College (constitution) immaterial.

With the courts already going beyond their intended limits, both houses of congress elected by popular vote, and socialists in charge of the democrat (and possibly republican) party - what would you expect?

24 posted on 05/19/2011 6:28:59 PM PDT by norton
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To: TheBigIf
This is a straight forward effort by socialists to undermine the electoral process and rig elections.

Absolutely correct. The communists/Democrat machine is setting this up by buying votes to win using fraudulent means. This is why they are going to rely heavily on the black and illegal Mexicans to pad the vote. Then by using the food stamp and entitlements to buy more votes they are certain to have the popular vote. The unions are controlled by the communists leaders and will go for the Democrat. Communists are cleaver that way and don't forget the chad count. Perfect opportunity to overthrow any election.

30 posted on 05/19/2011 6:43:13 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: TheBigIf

The current state-by-state winner-take-all system of awarding electoral votes maximizes the incentive and opportunity for fraud. A very few people can change the national outcome by changing a small number of votes in one closely divided battleground state. With the current system all of a state’s electoral votes are awarded to the candidate who receives a bare plurality of the votes in each state. The sheer magnitude of the national popular vote number, compared to individual state vote totals, is much more robust against manipulation.

No recount would have been warranted in any of the nation’s 56 previous presidential elections if the outcome had been based on the nationwide count.

Senator Birch Bayh (D–Indiana) summed up the concerns about possible fraud in a nationwide popular election for President in a Senate speech by saying in 1979, “one of the things we can do to limit fraud is to limit the benefits to be gained by fraud. Under a direct popular vote system, one fraudulent vote wins one vote in the return. In the electoral college system, one fraudulent vote could mean 45 electoral votes, 28 electoral votes.”

Hendrik Hertzberg wrote: “To steal the closest popular-vote election in American history, you’d have to steal more than a hundred thousand votes . . .To steal the closest electoral-vote election in American history, you’d have to steal around 500 votes, all in one state. . . .

For a national popular vote election to be as easy to switch as 2000, it would have to be two hundred times closer than the 1960 election—and, in popular-vote terms, forty times closer than 2000 itself.

Which, I ask you, is an easier mark for vote-stealers, the status quo or N.P.V.[National Popular Vote]? Which offers thieves a better shot at success for a smaller effort?”


70 posted on 05/19/2011 8:47:18 PM PDT by mvymvy
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To: TheBigIf

Right on the money. Currently, vote fraud doesn’t matter much except in battleground states.

With a national popular vote, the machines in big cities can pump up vote totals and could greatly change national results.


80 posted on 05/19/2011 9:08:25 PM PDT by MediaMole
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