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To: Molon Labbie
You will notice in the first sentence I purposely left out any name or adjective so the post can be directed not at a person but at the statements. You can infer what you like, but you have made so many assumptions and have taken so many things out of context you come off sounding like an apologist from somebody that works for this agency or County. The after actions by this agency and Judge smell of cover-up and if the facts were in their favor they would be instantly let out to the public.

You further your presumptions by knowing nothing of my background, experiences, knowledge, etc...

With no criminal background, shots fired, eminent threat etc... where do you get information to presume this was a high threat that required SWAT will full auto weapons breaking down a door with an no knock raid.....do you have access or have you already read the sealed search warrant? The DA is scrambling to cover the damage right now to limit the liability. People in agencies I know are shaking their heads and unanimously agree this does not meet the smell test of a legitimate OP properly executed. The manner in which they went in would have required sealing off the area prior to entry and evacuating or securing the surrounding area and adjacent dwellings based upon the given facts and methods of execution used. Not allowing medical attention is the most obvious and compelling fact that makes it clear this squad screwed the pooch. You fail to address this most important fact with any credibility or humanity.

Yes, I know the difference between a clip and magazine, but my M1 Garand often pretends he is a BM59 and is jealous of the M1A sitting next to him, but his 8 are just as lethal as 30 and hit a little harder out past 700 yards.

I presume this man to be innocent until proved guilty and take great offense at anyone supporting LEO being judge, jury, and executioner.I do apologize for implying stupidity on anyone directly or indirectly.

117 posted on 05/12/2011 11:13:51 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: Mat_Helm

Mat, I see these raids regularly. I do not work for that agency but I know the dog, know the breed.

First, it was NOT A NO-KNOCK. Clear on this? NOT a NO-KNOCK. They knocked and announced, had lights and sirens in concert with the knock and announce. Standard stuff, all done in mind to show the occupants they are indeed the police. Again, they do not need shots fired, or imminent threat to execute this search warrant. You are clearly showing that you have some military experience but not law enforcement experience. That is not meant to impugn your service, I have worn both uniforms myself. There are differences in operations. I am not here to educate you in SWAT raid procedure but typically the adjacent houses are not evacuated during a drug search warrant. This exposes the team and can tip off the person you are trying to arrest. It is covert until the second they knock and announce. You are confusing this with a barricaded subject who has already actively engaged law enforcement with firearms.

Fully automatic weapons are common with SWAT units, so is the firing of them. They were presented with a very serious firearm threat, an AR-15 and did what they were forced to do.

Your comments on humanity aside, I was merely commenting that the most likely scenario was Guerenas died almost immediately after being hit seven times. You assume that there was something that could be done base solely on the statement of the wife, who is now under the direction of a lawyer. You and others are suggesting that EVERY officer and attached medical specialists there willfully denied him any medical attention and were working in collusion and concert to achieve this. Does that even sound plausible?

Mr. Guerenas did not allow for his innocence to be vindicated or his guilt to be discovered during court proceedings. He forced the issue.


125 posted on 05/13/2011 12:07:08 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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