Posted on 05/12/2011 4:38:06 AM PDT by WaterBoard
TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - 9 On Your Side has uncovered startling new information in the case of a man SWAT team members killed Thursday.
Medical attention was standing by to try to save Jose Guereña.
Paramedics waited more than an hour.
Then deputies sent them away
By then Guereña was dead.
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Don't bother replying, as you can say nothing that will whitewash your obvious bigotry and intolerance. I note you seem to "know" all about the facts in the case, by reading somebody's palm...
My eldest son is a LT in OK. I know your type well, and I doubt you could lead a parade of ducks!
I see. Do you think you could form an opinion about war atrocities?
Confident is not the same as pompous. Confidence is a must in this business. I just won’t be a rug for people and that burns their butt.
Bigotry? Please. Last refuge and all that jazz.
I do not have first hand knowledge of every detail that happened there. But I have seen more than one scene just like it, so that kind of makes me knowledgeable.
The SWAT team has several personnel that are organic to the team with military level medical training. There are also Medics who are not LEO’s that are on close hand when these raids go on. I am telling you that when the report comes out, those medics are going to be quoted as saying that the Guerenas expired almost immediately and no amount of medical assistance would have saved him.
These medics where trained by a former Surgeon General who is also a deputy and developed the SWAT medic policy.
Apparently not so senior as to be above personal attacks about a person you know nothing but internet posts about.
Maybe in another thread, on another day.
... enough said! I've seen enough and heard enough of your bullshiite, too!
Five minutes max for a SWAT team to go through this house that they shot up in less than 20 seconds. MAX And they could do it TWICE. And it’s a good thing they missed the four year old and the wife when they let out their spray of bullets. Imagine the uproar if they had shot two more American citizens. (assuming the wife is a citizen) BTW, they said that they didn’t know the wife was there or the toddler. I’ll have to look up where the bus stop is for the older child. It’s probably right there on the corner since the house is on the corner. Mom and the toddler probably watch him get on the bus.
Ok, so, now what? Are you big enough to admit that between you and me, that I am more of an expert on the matter than you? Or is that asking too much?
I am not getting my heart rate up over this, you are. You let yourself get worked up and get emotional. I will get emotional if and when that investigation becomes murder charges against those officers because they truly went against the profession and I defended them. If that happens, I will apologize to those here who participated in the discussion, rude or otherwise. Until then, I am going to passively wait until the release of the coroners report and official written statement of the Pima County Sheriffs Department and County Prosecutor.
Petitfour, I am not trying to be rude, because you are trying to be objective, but who are you to say what the time standard is? What are your qualifications? You do not determine what the standard is. The SWAT Team leader is the Captain of that Ship and he/she says when that house is secure and there is NO time standard.
I too am glad that no kids where hurt but even the mom said she looked out the window and saw someone she said was pointing a gun at her. EVERY member who participates in a SWAT operation must have outer garments that clearly say “Police” on the front and back. They must identify themselves. If an officer was covering a window, and pointing a gun at her like she said, that officer was screaming his or her head off at her “Police, show me your hands” or something similiar and relaying this information to the SWAT Team. “I’ve got a female subject at such and such location.”
Three other houses where hit in the same fashion in the same area as part of the investigation. Why was this one so different?
Oh, please. They’re so “well-trained” that they shoot Golden Retrievers and lap dogs, stomp kittens, tase children, constantly break into the wrong homes, and can’t make an arrest without para-military outfitting.
I think you’re on the wrong website.
You’re wrong. We remember.
Go peddle your crap to somebody who believes your line! You're just another adrenaline junkie, to me, and post like could care less about anybody but yourself. I've seen enough of your type in my career, as well. You have a great disposition for something (that's sarcasm in case you didn't notice), and I'm sure you are beloved by all of your friends in blue. Most of us here think very little of your attitude, and have said so repeatedly. I just came along for the ride. g'night, sleep tight! I will...
Spare me...you act like having an official “policy” in place is the same thing as actually conforming to it.
The reason this one was different is because this guy wasn’t a eunuch, but last I heard, being a US marine wasn’t supposed to be a capital offense.
I’ll bet you defended that BART bastard Mehserle too, didn’t you?
Bravo, did you draw that yourself? I know you will check the thread one more time, it’s human nature.
I don’t need or seek the approval of those who disagree. Stand by your convictions even if unpopular.
All us do? All 900,000 of us do? Is that what you are saying? I make arrests all the time without para-military outfitting, which is exactly what? Never shot a dog, don’t tase kids, and never, ever hit the wrong house.
You are entitled to opinion about the website, but I won’t be run off if I not violating TOS, only have an unpopular opinion.
A policy is not really a suggestion, go outside it and there is dire consequences. You put something on paper, it will get subpoenaed and you better believe a lawyer will eat it up. Why do you think so many people get out of drunk driving convictions? Because specialist lawyers can quote the NHTSA manual from memory and if an officer can’t, well you might not be able to sway judge and jury. It would behoove one to follow a policy pretty hard and fast.
No, being a Marine is not a capital offense nor is a guarantee of sainthood. These officers did not target him because he was a Marine, they went to his house because it was believed to contain evidence of a ongoing drug conspiracy, in which they at least seized computers and cell phones, at least by what some media is reporting.
Anyone capable of critical thought, understands law enforcement playing military in American neighborhoods, over something like suspected drugs, is really, really stupid not to mention unsafe for everyone in the entire neighborhood.
This is not Nazi Germany.
These police paramilitary tactics, treating people suspected of having drugs as if they're a threat to national security, simply needs to stop.
Otherwise law enforcement is going to lose any remaining respect regarding these war like tactics. Law enforcement better learn, the only reason they have *any* power, is because the people have allowed them to. That can change, and get really ugly, as repeatedly demonstrated throughout history.
“Cause of death: ex sanquination, means: gunfire.”
Exsanguination means he bled to death. It might have been because he was shot full of holes (and maybe deservedly so), but it doesn’t in itself mean gunfire.
Cops don’t get to be executioners. If they denied this guy medical attention even if it was obvious (to them at least) that he was mortally wounded, then doom on them.
Dragnet, I agree that the WOD needs to end so these raids end. I am tired of burying colleagues for something that adults should be able to do in the privacy of their homes. Some politicians are still stuck on stupid and encourage the continued WOD. It’s still not popular in LE to dissent against it, but it’s growing. Many police officers feel that if the war on drugs is not successfully prosecuted then they failed and let immorality reign. I subscribe to the point of view that I am not really the morality police, and if the people want drugs, then the people have decided. It’s only a matter of time before it is legal, but the Fed is seriously dragging its feet.
Although there will be less SWAT teams, those tactics and weapons are still going to be useful and necessary when apprehending dangerous suspects. The days of Andy and Barney playing pocket pool outside the door, hoping that the mope inside with the SKS, who just did a takeover bank job, is going to play pretty and getting blown away for their trouble, are long over.
Sorry for the confusion here. The cause of death is ex sanquination, the MEANS by which exsanquination was achieved was by multiple ballistic projectile penetrations, ergo gunfire.
No one executed this man. He pointed a gun at them, according to several of their spokespeople, they felt threatened and responded accordingly. Now the contention is that they let him lay there to bleed out. And the assumption is that not one of all the officers made even the suggestion of “Hey, uh, maybe we should do some first aid on the shot guy?” That is going to require some collective aggreement to a negligent homicide from probably at least twenty LEO’s, if you count everyone that was there at the time of the shooting. The chances of that happening are pretty slim, hovering right around zero. But it makes for good press...
The Sheriff’s department could decide to make a statement on how soon he was pronounced and whether any attempts to provide medical assistance to him. The SWAT Team Leader might be able to order his own LEOs not to assist the wounded suspect, which would come out in the after shooting investigation, but he probably cannot disuade those medics that are assigned to the SWAT but are not LEOs not to treat. This is one burning question that people have on whether due diligence was taken for the suspects well being after being taken into custody.
I know it’s unpopular, but I trust that they did. Of course I am admittedly biased.
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