Posted on 05/12/2011 4:38:06 AM PDT by WaterBoard
That’s just what this 0admin wants as they have weapons and folks to collect - the latter dead or alive and these guys just want to shoot stuff. The “Protect and Serve” once seen on cruisers is but a distant memory.
It’s easier to frame a dead man.
At this point it is plainly obvious that the general public has far more to fear from cops and law enforcment than it does your generic thug.
At this point it is plainly obvious that the general public has far more to fear from cops and law enforcment than it does your generic thug.
I would hope so, but, I would not count on it. The System protects itself.
Good point! I think I’ll shop for something small and hard to hit so they will stay busy longer! Maybe a Jack Russell.
It is the Pima County liberals who want to secede, separate themselves from Arizona and become their own state.
Again, dead men tell no tales, and dead men are easier to frame.
Eventually the world will learn that the medics were kept out to prevent them from seeing things that the SWAT team wanted kept from the public and the ensuing investigation.
Every little piss-ant town in America wants to have a SWAT team.
They get all worked up, charged with testosterone and adrenalin, they put on their armored gear, they grab their automatic weapons and they automatically become Superman. Ready to do battle with any man or beast who gets in their way.
The SWAT team are a bunch of legalised gun nuts turned loose on the public. They are what they fear.But it’s ok, because they are the police.
They are what police departments all over the country fear so badly that they want regular American citizens unarmed
Excuse me, how long have you been on a SWAT team, because SWAT/ERT will take into consideration that a child may be in a house, but that will not deter them from executing search/arrests. I have sat through dozens of SWAT briefings and whether there are children or not is ALWAYS discussed, but it does not change the go/no go. If it did, people would just use their children as shields all the time.
They are not required to provide a copy of the search warrant to the public, only to the person(s) being served or their designated attorney. You wouldn’t want your personal information out in the public, now would you? That is what is commonly found in search warrants as well as why the police are there and what they are looking for.
EMS WILL NOT come to a scene that is not secure. PERIOD. They do not care how many citizens or police or firefighters are down. They won’t do it unless it is safe for them to work. If SWAT fired 71 rounds this man was dead, and the medic on the team is qualified to make that assessment, he does not need a second opinion.
It is standard procedure to seal court records in drug conspiracy case until indictments are unsealed.
Some people want to excuse this guy because he was a Marine and a war hero. Anyone, Marines, Police, Navy SEALS can turn bad and get into a life of crime. Two of the deadliest snipers in history were Marines and the Marines don’t claim those who turn their back on their Corps Values.
The PD made a public statement that they found evidence of the conspiracy. They are going to have to stand on that. What it is remains to be seen but it is sealed because of unindicted and possibly unidentified co-conspirators.
Someone asked when these raids are going to stop? Well, never completely. But the majority will stop when drugs are legalized. Until then, people will deal dope, buy rifles to protect their product and proceeds and will continue to be confronted by police.
Any sane person wants to see a whole lot less of these and legalizing drugs so that happens is a good answer.
There seems to be more and more of these SWAT incidents.
SWAT teams are becoming the new terrorists.
1) The Guerena’s insist SWAT found nothing in the home. The family has hired criminal defense attorney Christopher Scileppi.
2) The victim was still alive after being shot.
After the gun fire stopped, wife Vanessa emerged from a closet she was hiding inside. She told us she heard her husband still moaning, “I was going to touch Jose. He was saying, ‘Owwwwwww.’ I saw blood on the floor, and they (SWAT) get me,” said Guerena.
3) Police refused to provide medical attention to victim.
“From the time paramedics arrived on scene until they were allowed in the home, it was one-hour-and-fourteen- minutes. In the case of the Gabby Giffords shooting, it was just 12 minutes. Do you plan to investigate? What do you think of that time discrepancy?” KGUN9 asked.
Expected moves from anyone associated with this regime, locally or nationally.
The time discrepancy was bacause they wanted the guy to die. And they want the records sealed until they get the coverup story in place and in addition so they can alter the records until they match the coverup story.
From what does he need to be excused? From being dead?
When you were dropped on your head, did you bounce?
First point of BS. The PR person may not have seen the tactical operations plan that any SWAT team does nor is it likely to be released for public view. It specifically says if there is any intelligence on children and likely locations in the house, if it can be determined. Suboptimal or not, these is not a major deciding factor on go/no go. If they waited for optimal, they would never go.
Second point of BS. Common lawyer tactic to say the search warrant was never presented to the defendant. It attacks the very beginning of the chain of evidence, which any lawyer tries if they can’t beat the probable cause. EVERY search warrant has a return and inventory of which a copy is given to the defendant of the evidence seized. If they are not present, or refuse to sign it, it is left in a conspicuous place.
Third point of BS. ANY police officer can declare a person deceased if it is blatantly evident that he or she is so. The man was DRT, ok? He did not survive being hit so many times and the official coroners report will back this up. Cause of death: ex sanquination, means: gunfire.
Yes, the records were sealed after the raid. It’s not a coverup, I explained why they do that. If they did another raid immediately after that, and ten more after that one, they would still seal the case because of unindicted co-conspirators.
Drugs legal, less raids, less citizens dead, less cops dead. Now see the logic? Who says it was a no-knock? Do you know the circumstances in which no-knock authority is given by a judge? I don’t know the decedent’s criminal history, but if the intelligence bears out that he has violent criminal history, has known firearms, and military training, well, that’s about as good as it gets for no-knock authorization. This article does not say what it was.
I crapped all this man? He served. So what? I served. So did Timothy McVeigh, who earned a Bronze Star. He was a war hero too, at one time. But he, like the decendent, got involved in illegal activity. Guerenas got a search warrant issued on his house based on PROBABLE CAUSE, that’s part of the evidence and evidence found at the scene. But nice try at trying to ignore that.
SWAT commanders also take into consideration of allowing the suspect to leave his home and allowing plain clothes detectives to make the contact. This is in itself presents new tactical problems. People can barricade themselves at work, take hostages, then we have one of them demanding to know why this wasn’t done at home. Would you rather plan an operation to take a person down at a large employer with hundreds of employers and vast areas to search, or do it in a small contained area?
You let people get mobile in a vehicle they put hundreds at risk. In my experience they considered this man a high risk contact they needed to contain, as well as make a concerted effort to preserve the evidence contained in the home.
You call this poorly executed because someone died and because it does not match your uninformed expectations. The decedent made poor choices in life with getting involved in the narcotics trade, KNEW that a SWAT raid was not only a possibility but was a probability the longer he engaged in this activity and STILL carried on. I surmise he knew he was caught and was going down shooting, all of which could have been avoided if he did not point a rifle at officers and did not choose the life he did.
SWAT teams make a diligent effort to use tactical ammunition that expends it’s energy inside the body and not go through six houses. No one want’s that. Without the power of GOOGLE, you would be hard pressed to find any stories of innocents hit by SWAT teams using over penetrative rounds.
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