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To: Polybius; caww

Sure, bin Laden was beyond super-duper really annoying. He was a vicious killer who, no doubt, needed killing.

But our government should not be in the business of killing people in cold blood. If you have bin Laden unarmed in a room, truss him up, toss him in a helicopter, and bring him to Gitmo. Then try him before a military tribunal and put him up againt a wall.

Tough cases make bad law. Sure, everybody wanted bin Laden dead. But did we really want to establish the principle that the government can break into a private house and kill whomever it wants? That is a power the government should not have, IMHO.


159 posted on 05/06/2011 10:19:31 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you can read this / (To paraphrase on old line) / Thank a TAXPAYER!.)
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To: Haiku Guy
our government should not be in the business of killing people in cold blood. If you have bin Laden unarmed in a room, truss him up, toss him in a helicopter, and bring him to Gitmo. Then try him before a military tribunal and put him up againt a wall.

Where is your head? Do you understand at all the dynamics of war? It would seem not or you could not be stating that Osama was killed in "cold blood"........Further saying Osama was "annoying" really displays your lack of knowledge about 9/11....and all the other thousands who have died at his hand. And why shouldn't our military take Osama out...they have the right and choice to do just that. It's not like the guy didnt know it was comming....that's been made clear in both administrations that this would happen if given the chance. So why the outcry by yourself now? Sheesh you really need to get with the program.

160 posted on 05/06/2011 10:27:01 AM PDT by caww
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To: Haiku Guy
But our government should not be in the business of killing people in cold blood. ... If you have bin Laden unarmed in a room, truss him up, toss him in a helicopter, and bring him to Gitmo. Then try him before a military tribunal and put him up againt a wall. .... Tough cases make bad law. Sure, everybody wanted bin Laden dead. But did we really want to establish the principle that the government can break into a private house and kill whomever it wants?

What our government Obama should NOT be doing is talking about it.

"We will neither confirm nor deny any detail of the raid."

Period.

You are bringing up military tribunals, and "cases" and "bad law". You are even bringing up "private houses". What next? That a house was legally posted with "No Trespassing" signs?

Hello! .... This is a WAR and Osama bin Ladin was an enemy COMMANDER.

In a war, there are no "private houses". In a war, there are "targets" and "buildings" and "positions" at certain geographic coordinates.

In war, there are no "suspects". In war, there are "enemy forces" be they in logistics, be they in command and control or be they on the front lines.

In war, you kill enemy forces, with the least risk to your own forces, as efficiently as possible. Enemy forces are legitimate targets even if they are sitting on a latrine, taking a dump, wondering what that thing up in that tree way over there is.

ALL enemy forces in command and control are legitimate targets for lethal action in the most efficient and effective way possible with the least possible risk to your own forces. The health of the target is the consideration that comes dead last. (No pun intended.)

Was Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, the architect of the Pearl Harbor attack, a legitimate target for killing without trial during World War II?

As a Commander, yes, he was.

Operation Vengeance was carried out to kill Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto on April 18, 1943, during the Solomon Islands campaign in the Pacific Theater of World War II.

Was Adolf Hitler a legitimate target for killing without trial during World War II?

As a Commander, yes, he was.

Operation Foxley was a 1944 plan to assassinate Adolf Hitler, made by the British Special Operations Executive (SOE). Although detailed preparations were made, no attempt was made to carry out the plan. Historians believe the most likely date for an attempt would have been July 13–14 of 1944, during one of Hitler's visits to the Berghof.

Was Winston Churchill a legitimate target for killing without trial during World War II?

As a Commander, yes, he was.

Secret mission to kill Churchill is revealed: Four Nazi assassins with orders to kill Winston Churchill in North Africa in 1943 were trailed by British intelligence officers, newly-released war reports disclosed yesterday. Germany had managed to obtain accurate predictions of the route Churchill was likely to take on a flight home from Egypt via Algiers and Gibraltar.

As I said, in war, the health of the enemy target comes dead last in consideration.

You never know if trying to talk a 6 foot, 5 inch fanatic into surrendering or wrestling with a 6 foot, 5 inch fanatic is going to provide the needed distraction or the needed 2.3 seconds for an armed bodyguard to burst into the room and kill one or several of the SEAL Team.

Not even another enemy bursting into the room or a 6 foot 5 inch man is required for such a thing to happen.

Pakistani scientist Aafia Siddiqui has been sentenced to 86 years in prison for allegedly shooting her American interrogators while in custody in Afghanistan.Siddiqui allegedly grabbed a US warrant officer's rifle while she was detained for questioning in Afghanistan's Ghazni province and fired at FBI agents and military personnel as she was wrestled to the ground.

If that cute little woman can pull that off, you want to give a 6 foot 5 inch man a fighting chance in his own, pitch dark room?

"There he is, to your left! POP. POP. POP."

That's the way it went down.

Otto von Bismarck said that “The less people know about how sausages and laws are made, the better they'll sleep at night”.

That also applies to war.

If you believe that, in war, the concept of a "a private house" exists for the geographic coordinates of the location of an enemy Commander, then you also probably believe that sausages come from the Sausage Fairy.

That is why, for the benefit of sensitive people like you and for future operational security, the Obama Administration should have limited their statement to the following:

"The raid was carried out in the most efficient way possible, with utmost care being taken to minimize all possible risks so that that another Desert One debacle would not occur. The mission was accomplished and Osama bin Ladin died during the operation. Beyond that, we will neither confirm nor deny any operational details".

200 posted on 05/06/2011 12:50:34 PM PDT by Polybius
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