Lawd A Mercy!
There are some serious trolls on this here thread. Gracious me. Not only did the release of this most recent obama BC cause a lot of formerly non-birthers to seriously question this “document”, but it has amped up the troll volume.
Must be directly related.
It’s been like a tsunami since right before the new forgery was released. It’s like a stink bomb, termite season, skunk meeting, etc.
They’ve outed themselves but good.
Yes, it is becoming more and more apparent Ladysforest. The endless and pointless banter is noise to drown serious discussion. The challenge, which is very similar to the challenge in the public forum, is to make the key issues clear. This notion of what a natural born Citizen is, while it is repeated in lots of relatively obscure supreme court cases, is easily and intentionally misinterpreted by trolls.
Judges like to say that citizens are either natural, or naturalized. The only “natural” citizens are those for whom no law is needed to confer citizenship. “Born citizens” were created by law, the 14th Amendment and Title 8. The are not “natural” citizens because the 14th Amendment created citizens out of people who were forced to come to the The Colonies or the US - slavs. Their parents had no sole allegiance to our republic; most of them had little notion of the foundations of a representative republic.
A “native-born” citizen of the US, is born a citizen by law, making him, Obama, Jindal, McCain, Rubio, Arthur, ... a naturalized and not a natural citizen. Natural born Citizens were part of “natural law” which all of our founders agreed was the foundation of our Constitution. How do we know? Chief Justice John Marshall told us. Interpretation of the Constitution is the responsibility of the Supreme Court, and only the Supreme Court. He said:
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”
Every child born on our soil who fails this definition is a “born citizen of the US,” a “native-born citizen of the US,” but not a “natural-born Citizen of the US.” Justice Marshall explained it in his concise manner: “Those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.” Marshall, and every reference uses the term “parents” though, until the twentieth century, marriage to a citizen endowed a wife with the husband's citizenship.
With the President our framers saw no reason to compromise. Our framers wanted a president to be selected from among the children of those who risked their lives and fought for our independence. That highlights the irony that Barack Obama’s best selling autobiography was about the influence upon him of his British/Kenyan father.
Vattel, the source of the definition above from Marshall's decisions in The Venus, 12 US 253, used the "natives." But he defined what he meant - born on the soil of citizen parents. The term "native" is sometimes intentionally conflated with "native-born." Chief Justice Morrison Waite equates "Natives" with "natural born citzens" in Minor v. Happersett, leaving no doubt. Don't let trolls confuse you by implying that native-born and natural-born are equivalent. Again, Waite, Marshall, Horace Gray, the Wong Kim Ark justice, Chief Justice Hughes of Perkins v. Elg, and a half dozen others confirmed the definition, and pertaining to Obama, "of citizen parents." One citizen parent, born on our soil, is a citizen, a native-born citizen, but not a natural born citizen.
It is that simple. There is only one definition for a natural born citizen. Our greatest justices, Jay, Marshall, Waite, and the judge/congressman who wrote the 14th Amendment, John Bingham, all confirmed the Vattel definition cited by John Marshall. Every Senator in April 2008 also confirmed the definition, along with Barack Obama’s Harvard Constitutional Law professor, Larry Tribe, in Senate Res. 511.
I agree; the increased chatter about birth certificates with unprovable allegations reflects fear that the attention may turn to the truth. Obama told us he was “...a native-born citizen of the US.” He told us he is a naturalized citizen. Obama and the Democrats and Republicans who are complicit in the supression of this truth don't want citizens to understand. All we can do is to be as clear as we can be, and try to help the non-trolls understand. Since my citations have elicited little or no disagreement for the past year or so - the birth certificate commenter continue to dominate discussions ignoring the legal issues - I assume there may be a few non-trolls here on FR, but, other than Patlin, rxsid, Bushpilot, danae, and others active on rxsid’s natural born citizen research thread, there are few.
If we don't care enough to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution” we will continue to have presidents like Obama, and will completely lose the protections provided by our Constitution from a dictatorial government - like the one our founders fought for our freedom.