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Swedish Skeptics Confirm "Nuclear Process" in Tiny 4.7 kW Reactor (Rossi E-cat)
Renewable Energy World ^ | 5.5.11 | Thomas Blakeslee

Posted on 05/05/2011 7:47:16 AM PDT by Free Vulcan

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To: Wonder Warthog

It has been bumping around on the internet for years. He hasn’t produced a working ICE yet but it really buzzes along on compressed air.

Maybe this will be his niche.


121 posted on 05/06/2011 2:06:41 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: MrEdd

MrEdd

please add me to your Rossi ping list

Thanks
Lurking’


122 posted on 05/06/2011 3:18:52 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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rossi e-cat site:freerepublic.com
Google

123 posted on 05/06/2011 4:50:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Pontiac
That would be an extraordinarily well tuned biological process. I sincerely hope that no such organism exist or ever does exist. Such an organism might be adapted to enrich uranium cheaply and efficiently. Nuclear terrorism would be come a daily occurrence.

Deuterium is one isotope which definitely has a biological effect. Heavy water is toxic. It disrupts fundamental biological processes. The reason appears to be that the presence of that extra neutron slightly increases the strength of the hydrogen bond, which in turn upsets reactions essential to cellular activity.

However, the bond energy effect of slight atomic weight differences decreases as you go up in atomic weight, to the point to undetectability. So, centrifuge are far more likely to be hacked or blown up by the Mossad than to be displaced by vats of bugs genetically engineered to concentrate U235.

124 posted on 05/07/2011 11:14:23 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: PapaBear3625

The other thing that make this interesting is that the Byprodut is Copper. So you might spend $13 dollars for the zinc and get $30 for the copper.


125 posted on 05/07/2011 7:43:18 PM PDT by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Boiler Plate
So you might spend $13 dollars for the zinc and get $30 for the copper.

They use nickel, not zinc, and nickel costs more than copper. Copper is currently trading around $4/lb, nickel at $13/lb. Then again, the process uses up a relatively tiny amount of nickel relative to the value of the energy produced. The capital costs (producing nickel dust of the required granularity, making an e-cat unit to hold it, high-pressure boilers, turbines, generators, etc) are going to dwarf the price of the raw nickel.

126 posted on 05/08/2011 7:28:30 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: dangerdoc; B4Ranch; PapaBear3625

Rossi Cold Fusion Italian patent granted:

http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Avanzata.aspx?load=info_list_uno&id=1610895&table=Invention&#ancoraSearch

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufficio_italiano_brevetti_e_marchi

I haven’t located an actual news article yet, but thought y’all would be interested. There’s some discussion at the link below, but FR’s auto-link scripting is dropping the last piece of info, so you’ll have to copy/paste to get there:

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex- href=”mailto:l@eskimo.com”>l@eskimo.com/msg46379.html


127 posted on 05/08/2011 8:53:40 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: PapaBear3625

If/Once Rossi’s process is scientifically studied in some depth, I would be “very” surprised if there don’t turn out to be other systems that will do the same thing.


128 posted on 05/08/2011 8:56:15 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
If/Once Rossi’s process is scientifically studied in some depth, I would be “very” surprised if there don’t turn out to be other systems that will do the same thing.

The original Fleischmann and Pons cold fusion setup used palladium. I have no doubt that there are multiple ways to make Low Energy Nuclear Reactions work.

129 posted on 05/08/2011 9:32:30 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Hot stuff! It clears the way for Rossi to commercialize e-cats in Italy, and probably the rest of the EU.

For those who are concerned about this making a dent in our nickel supply, the reaction gives off 8Mev per nickel atom undergoing transmutation (in contrast, a U235 atom undergoing fission is 200 MeV). Still, that's a LOT of energy. A mole of nickel contains about 6×1023 atoms, and weighs about 59 grams. 6 MeV per atom would mean that 59 grams would produce 3.6 ×1024 MeV, or 6 ×1011 joules or 1.6 ×105 kWh (thermal). That's a lot of energy per pound of nickel.

(If somebody could double-check my math, that would be appreciated)

130 posted on 05/08/2011 1:47:51 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: citizen

The us patent application contains this statement..

[0060]A practical embodiment of the inventive apparatus, installed on Oct. 16, 2007, is at present perfectly operating 24 hours per day, and provides an amount of heat sufficient to heat the factory of the Company EON of via Carlo Ragazzi 18, at Bondeno (Province of Ferrara).

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=84vwAAAAEBAJ&dq=US20110005506


131 posted on 05/09/2011 7:56:04 AM PDT by CWatters
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To: CWatters
Interesting. Thanks for posting. Evidently you can get the reaction just with nanometric nickel, but getting the high efficiency Rossi achieves requires the addition of his "catalyst", which he is apparently holding as a trade secret, perhaps to file a separate "composition of matter" patent later.

This fits with the historical tidbits Rossi has mentioned....that he first discovered (or re-discovered) the anomalous excess heat with just hydrogen and nickel.

132 posted on 05/09/2011 8:21:47 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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For anyone interested in the technical end, I compiled an energy balance worksheet. It’s difficult to determine from comments by various personalities, how much nickel is consumed per unit energy released with any great confidence.

It’s not necessary to know the reaction paths or means in order to do this, assuming that Ni transmuted is Cu.

I obtain an energy density figure about 10.1 times that which is reported.

Would anyone like to check my work?


133 posted on 05/24/2011 7:19:47 AM PDT by ought2
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To: rokkitapps; badgerlandjim

Nickle at $11/lb is a lot cheaper than oil at $100 a barrel. I’m hoping for the best and this is where the despicable Muslims and turds like Hugo Chavez loose their grip on America and other civilized nations.

Islam is NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING without the oil riches that make us cater to these desert rats. That allows them to develop nuclear weapons. That finances mosque building in civilized nation. FU Islam I’ll go for cold fusion. I’m praying this pans out


134 posted on 05/24/2011 7:27:50 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Boiler Plate

I love that! Of course, after a while, copper would be so plentiful it would cost pennies.


135 posted on 05/24/2011 7:31:18 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: ought2
On another thread, I did the math, maybe you can check if mine aligns with yours:

For those who are concerned about this making a dent in our nickel supply, the reaction gives off about 8.2 MeV per nickel atom undergoing transmutation (in contrast, a U235 atom undergoing fission is 200 MeV). Still, that's a LOT of energy. A mole of nickel contains about 6×1023 atoms, and weighs about 59 grams. 8.2 MeV per atom would mean that 59 grams would produce 4.9 ×1024 MeV, or 7.9 ×1011 joules or 2.2 ×105 kWh (thermal). That's a lot of energy per gram of nickel.

(If somebody could double-check my math, that would be appreciated)

136 posted on 05/24/2011 7:49:21 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: MrEdd

Please sign me up to your ping list. Thanks


137 posted on 05/24/2011 9:10:04 AM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: B4Ranch; marktwain; Wonder Warthog; Free Vulcan; PapaBear3625

Thanks for the ping.

Here is the latest on Rossi’s US patent application. Below is an excerpt I mined out of it. This is getting interestinger and interestinger.

[0038] Considering that about 10,000,000 tons nickel for year are produced through the world and since, as it will be disclosed hereinafter in Table 1, 1 g nickel would generate an energy amount equivalent to that produced by 517 tons oil, thus the yearly produced nickel amount, assuming that only 1/10,000th generates nuclear processes, will provide 1,000,000,000,000*517110000-51,700,000,000 (oil equivalent) ton per year.

[0039] And this without considering the fact that the yearly nickel production could be easily increased, depending on demand, and that, like mineral oil, nickel can be recovered and remelted from nickel scraps of steelwork and electronic applications.

[0040] Actually, nickel is one of the most abundant metals of the Earth crust.

Recently, the Paris-based International Energy Agency (IEA), the energy-monitoring body of 28 industrialized countries, also trimmed its 2011 world oil demand outlook, citing the impact of persistent high prices and weaker economic growth for developed economies. IEA predicts that global oil demand would increase by 1.5% (or 1.3 million barrels per day) annually, reaching 89.2 million barrels a day in 2011 from last year’s 87.9 million barrels a day. The energy agency’s current estimate for 2011 is lower by 190,000 barrels a day from its last report, issued in April 2011. (From results of World Oil Demand search - Jim)

American oilmen usually reckon quantities of oil produced, moved or processed in barrels per day (bpd or b/d). The loose but simple rule of thumb for conversion is that a barrel a day is roughly 50 tonnes a year (approx. 55 U.S. tons), but the relationship varies according to density and so according to product. (From oil industry conversion chart - Jim)

According to my figures (89.2 million bbls per day of demand x 55 U.S. tons yearly each) current oil usage should amount to 89.2 x 55 = 4906 -— or 4.9 billion tons annually. In [0038] Rossie seems to be saying that 1/10,000th of the current annual world production of nickel, if diverted to LENR usage, would amount to over 10 times (51.7 billion tons) the present annual energy equivalent of oil usage. That is simply astounding! - Jim

I have my flame suit on. If someone can blast my figuring to smithereens I will stand corrected. To see patent go here:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RossiAmethodandaa.pdf


138 posted on 05/24/2011 9:35:59 AM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: dennisw; rokkitapps

See #138.


139 posted on 05/24/2011 9:54:23 AM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: badgerlandjim

IIRC nickle is a tricky metal in that it is often the byproducts of other mines. So if a lead mine makes 10% of earnings off nickle byproduct.... Then whether it does more exploration or mining is dependent on the lead price not the nickle price

Silver often has this problem. It is often the byproduct of a mine, say a copper mine.


140 posted on 05/24/2011 10:12:14 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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