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One unwary phone call led US to bin Laden doorstep (tip from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed)
AP via news.yahoo.com ^ | May 2, 2011 | ADAM GOLDMAN and MATT APUZZO

Posted on 05/02/2011 6:57:30 PM PDT by posterchild

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To: politicalmerc

just saying,,, that waterboarding was kinda effective after all. And I remember being told numerous times that it doesn’t produce reliable information.


21 posted on 05/02/2011 7:27:33 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: mrsadams

The way I understood it wuz:

Found courier last year.
Found where he was going in Feb. 2011
Established compound was target of high priority
Built full scale model of compound for trainging which took weeks/months.
Told Prez they were ready to go with two possible plans
He gave go ahead.

I have been known to be wrong though.


22 posted on 05/02/2011 7:28:48 PM PDT by biff
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To: Tex-Con-Man
These assholes are so flipping shallow its scary. Maybe, just maybe the stinking turd was so tired of having water poured down his snout, he gave up the info before another session started. The cumulative effect of these tactics is to break down a persons will to the point that the talk so as not be subjected to “it” again.
23 posted on 05/02/2011 7:43:06 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Put Obie in a dress and call him "The Last Queen of Scotland".)
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To: Travis McGee

I didn’t know that guy was CIA, but it makes sense from that perspective. I can’t imagine how intense it must be to a covert CIA spook, totally unprotected, working a plan in the belly of the beast. Wish I had a couple ounces of their courage to supplement what I’ve got on-board. I would imagine they go through some of the Special Ops training.


24 posted on 05/02/2011 7:46:41 PM PDT by catbertz
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To: cookcounty
Warrantless Wiretaps

That expression is so yesterday. Now it's called using pattern recognition software. I hate the media.

Today I heard a replay of a President Bush interview by Matt Lauer. Lauer attacked over and over and GWB clearly and forcefully explained why we have enhanced interrogation techniques. I miss him.

25 posted on 05/02/2011 7:52:28 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Thank you.

I wonder if Yahoo, a liberal publication, is putting their spin on it, though.

Anyway the left is also against secret prisons, and both sources gave secret prisons credit.


26 posted on 05/02/2011 7:53:52 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
According to the article, while Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded, the information about the courier was not obtained during one of those sessions.

According to National Review:

U.S. and Pakistani authorities captured KSM on March 1, 2003 in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. KSM stayed mum for months, often answering questions with Koranic chants. Interrogators eventually waterboarded him — for just 90 seconds.

KSM “didn’t resist,” one CIA veteran said in the August 13 issue of The New Yorker. “He sang right away. He cracked real quick.” Another CIA official told ABC News: “KSM lasted the longest under water-boarding, about a minute and a half, but once he broke, it never had to be used again.”

Yes, it's true that he give the courier info without waterboarding -- but only AFTER waterboarding broke him.
27 posted on 05/02/2011 8:00:21 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Sun
Former president George W. Bush authorized the CIA to use the harshest interrogation tactics in U.S. history. President Barack Obama closed the prison system.

On both statements, You can't be serious! I'm sure there were much harsher interrogation tactics used in various wars which the US fought. The press just didn't see the need to expose the details of those or they just have short memories.

Speaking of short memories, Obama may have campaigned on shutting down those prisons and ending rendition, but I think there is evidence that that is not the case. The press just doesn't see the need to expose the details of that now that Obama is running the program.

Obama demonizes Bush then takes credit for the successes derived from the Bush policies. The media stands and cheers and his supporters eat it up.

28 posted on 05/02/2011 8:03:22 PM PDT by eggman (Conformity is the new Diversity. Civility is the new Censorship.)
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To: biff

Built full scale model of compound for trainging which took weeks/months.


It would take about half a day to model the compound unless the drafters were both unionized AND high while drafting.


29 posted on 05/02/2011 8:06:08 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: txhurl

The trainging that took awhile, not the contruction. Now, do I need to tell you what trainging is? Sheese, one of thez daz eye am gona larn how two spel.


30 posted on 05/02/2011 8:10:18 PM PDT by biff
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To: eggman

America waterboarded Filipinos during the uprising after teh Spanish American War. IIRC over 200 died due to our tactics. I learned this from “The Imperial Cruise” by Bradley.


31 posted on 05/02/2011 8:10:23 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: Sun
It seems obvious the author went out of his way to avoid crediting waterbording with successfully extracting important info.
32 posted on 05/02/2011 8:15:51 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: ilgipper

I’ve been watching CNN in my hotel room in Minneapolis because they don’t have FOX news. Not once have they mentioned the Gitmo interrogation techniques as being the start of finding OBL.


33 posted on 05/02/2011 9:45:58 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2

I heard them when interviewing politicians who mentioned it. In fact Chenny also mentioned it and so did , I think, Gugliani. But I heard it on Cnn first...online TV.


34 posted on 05/02/2011 9:50:17 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Yes, but only right-leaning interviewees. You can’t find a lib who will admit the harsh interrogation methods brought results. That would validate Bush. That they cannot bring themselves to do. If you read or hear anything by libs, the hunting and killing of OBL was entirely an Obama production.


35 posted on 05/02/2011 10:10:23 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: biff

I understand how they made it seem like it dragged out, but after they figured out he was there, how did they know that he wouldn’t be gone the next day? If you know where he is NOW, then you go after him NOW. If it wouldn’t have been safe to send the SEALS in without training, then do a drone strike. If Obama had this as his “#1 priority”, then he would have wanted to make sure it was done right away.

The whole thing sounds fishy to me, especially since we haven’t seen pictures yet.


36 posted on 05/03/2011 12:18:49 AM PDT by mrsadams
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To: biff

That wasn’t nice to make fun of his spelling. Many very smart people have learning disabilities that make it difficult to spell, it has nothing to do with their intelligence!!!

You need to learn manners....


37 posted on 05/03/2011 12:23:18 AM PDT by mrsadams
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To: mrsadams

They needed proof it was him and that he was dead. The only way to do that is the way they did it.


38 posted on 05/03/2011 1:17:42 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: politicalmerc

The Ultimate Waterboard: Place body on board and drop into the sea.


39 posted on 05/03/2011 4:23:11 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: mrsadams

Howdy Maam. Jus fer yer enphemasion, eye wuz makin phun uf mye own spelin.

I never seriously make fun of others. As you probably know it is usually the fault of these danged computers we use. LOL


40 posted on 05/03/2011 5:39:31 AM PDT by biff
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