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To: john mirse
I'll take a stab.

1. ORIGINAL: Is the original in a bound book like former health director Fukino said, or is it on microfilm or microfiche? That is, is the long form birth certificate that Obama displayed at his April 27, 2011 press conference taken from a certificate stored in a bound book, or was it taken from microfilm or microfiche?

We don't know.

2. NORDYKE TWINS: They were born one day after Obama on Aug. 5, but they have lower numbers.

This is a question that's been widely asked. If Jerome Corsi is correct that certificates were all stamped sequentially based on date, he has something interesting. If they were on pre-printed forms or if (as another theory pretty strongly suggests) they were processed in some regional scheme, then there's probably not an inconsistency there - except for the latter theory alleges he was only examined at Kapiolani.

The latter still puts him in Hawaii at a few days old. It would probably be difficult to get from Kenya to there and fake US citizenship. Not impossible, but so far the theory doesn't seem to make sense to me. But I need to think more about it.

3. Would the Nordyke twins' certificates be in the same bound book that Fukino said Obama's long form birth certificate was in?

One would certainly think so.

4. I am having trouble understanding how they transferred Obama's long form birth certificate image from a bound book to a piece of paper that was sent to Obama. Did the certificate have anything on its back?

I would think the page was photographed and transferred to microfiche.

5. Could someone explain to a non-technical, average computer user like me how they did it?

6. For instance, if the certificate is in a bound book, how did they lay the book in a scanner? What type of scanner did they use? Is the scanner like one people have at home except much bigger?

Photograph. How images are pulled from microfiche, I don't know. I expect computers are involved these days.

7. If, for instance, Hawaii officials allowed reporters to examine the certificate in the bound book, what color would it be?

The original bound book might or might not still exist. Otherwise, one would think straight black on white paper would be likely for the original book. But that's speculation at this point.

8. MICROFILM: The long form birth certificate seems to be bent downward on the left side. Does this mean that the image came from microfilm or a bound book?

The curve has been explained as being either from a bound book, or from a curve in a record on film.

9, If it came from a bound book, why isn't the certificate arranged and attached in the book in a way so that a person could easily slip it out of the book to scan it? Why do you have to carry the WHOLE book to the scanner, when one piece of paper would do?

10. GREEN BACKGROUND: Why is there a green background?

Because they pulled the record and printed it on green "safety paper" to make it more official.

11. June 2007: Date stamped on Obama's short form we see on the FactCheck site.

12. June 2007: Why did Obama order a new Hawaii birth certificate in June 2007? Did he simply lose his long form in 2007 or earlier? People lose birth certificates all the time, but I find it strange that the President of the United States got so careless with his long form birth certificate that he lost it. And if Trump had not forced Obama to order a new long form birth certificate in April 2011, then Obama would still be without a long form birth certificate today.

I personally don't know exactly where my birth certificate is. I could most likely find it. But like you say, people lose birth certificates all the time.

13. Stanley signature: I have a problem believing that Obama's mother signed the document because of the way "Stanley" is clumsily placed in parenthesis above the main signature. It looks to me as if the person who signed it forgot the name "Stanley" and clumsily tried to add it to the main body of the signature, but for some unknown reason put it in parenthesis, even though "Stanley" was Obama's mother's legal first name. That is, why not just write "Stanley" WITHOUT parenthesis, because the parenthesis makes it look as if the name "Stanley" does not really belong there.

If I were an 18-year-old girl, and my dad had named me "Stanley," I would go by my middle name. She probably wrote what she went by (instead of her most-likely hated first name) and then the registrar said, "Honey, you have to sign with your FULL LEGAL NAME." It certainly appears to have been done as an afterthought.

14. Stanley signature: I have looked at several signatures of Obama's mother on the internet, and it seems that she usually wrote out "Stanley" or used "S" when signing documents. Also, I didn't find that Obama's mother put parenthesis around "Stanley" in any of her signatures. NOTE: To me, for anyone to put parenthesis around their first name on a birth certificate would be bizarre.

This is one of those odd points that makes it less likely to be a forgery. Why would any forger write anything other than the kind of signature readily known to exist elsewhere?

I'd say a logical explanation is that as she moved more into adult interactions, she learned that most legal interactions required her first name. So from trying to reject the first name she went to accepting that she needed to write it out or represent it with an initial. I would expect the signatures you've seen were done when she was older than 18.

In any event, the fact that she alternated between Stanley and S indicates that she preferred to go by Ann, and that she wasn't 100% consistent.

15. Stanley name: Maybe when Obama's mother was growing up she came to resent the Stanley first name because it is normally a boy's name, but it looks like when it came to signing documents, she had no hesitation in signing "Stanley."

Already commented on.

16. So, as I said, Obama's mother's signature just does not look right to me. To be honest, it looks like someone else signed that long form birth certificate.

Not really a question. I have no opinion on whether the signature is hers, as at this point I haven't tried to compare it to others.

67 posted on 05/04/2011 3:48:10 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
12. June 2007: Why did Obama order a new Hawaii birth certificate in June 2007? Did he simply lose his long form in 2007 or earlier? People lose birth certificates all the time, but I find it strange that the President of the United States got so careless with his long form birth certificate that he lost it. And if Trump had not forced Obama to order a new long form birth certificate in April 2011, then Obama would still be without a long form birth certificate today.

I personally don't know exactly where my birth certificate is. I could most likely find it. But like you say, people lose birth certificates all the time.

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If I understand you correctly, you are saying that Obama lost his long form birth certificate in 2007 or earlier, so that is why he ordered a new, short form in June 2007.

1. If Obama, the President of the United States then Senator Obama from Illinois, had lost his long form in 2007 or earlier, I wonder why he didn't go ahead and order a long form in 2007 instead of a short form, because we now know that in 2007, a person could still order a long form certificate.

2. If Obama ordered the 2007 birth certificate by mail, I wonder if Hawaii officials still have that letter on file.

3. So, again, it looks like from 2007 or earlier, Obama never had a long form birth certificate, and if Trump had not forced Obama to show his long form birth certificate in April 2011, then Obama would still not have a long form birth certificate today.

4. KAPIOLANI HOSPITAL: Kapiolani hospital would go a long way to put this long form birth certificate to rest if they would only come out with a statement like the following to verify that Obama was born as stated on Obama's long form birth certificate:

"Kapiolani Hospital is proud to announce and verify that Obama's mother was indeed a patient at this hospital on Aug. 4, 196l. President Obama has given us permission to show his mother's Aug. 4, 1961 records to a select group of reporters representing the major news media. "The reporters will be allowed to touch, examine, and photograph the records and release them to the public.

We are happy to help put this long form birth certificate controversy to rest. "

5. Kapiolani Hospital, in my opinion, has been cospicuously silent since Ogama released his long form birth certificate on April 27, 1961. About a week has passed and still counting, and yet only complete silence form Kapiolani. Why is that?

6. Can you imagine the increase in tourists and in tourists' money to Hawaii once Kapiolani officially comes out and verifies that it is Obama's birth hospital as it is written on Obama's long form birth certificate? What are they waiting for? I could eat my words later, but Kapiolani's comspicuous silence tells me that Obama was not born there.

7/. If Obama contacted Hawaii to get a copy of his long form birth certificate---Obama sent his personal lawyer all the way to Hawaii to get it and bring it back to Washington--- I wonder why he didn't also contact Kapiolani Hospital to get a document that showed that he was born at Kapiolani, and why didn't he give Kapiolani permission to release his mother's records from Aug. 4, 1961 now that she has been deceased for many years? Just some food for thought.

70 posted on 05/04/2011 5:49:23 PM PDT by john mirse
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