Posted on 04/30/2011 8:37:33 PM PDT by Triple
(Note:the HTML on the images was tricky for me - if they don't show up it is my fault)
Oh do come on folks.
There's an old saying: When the facts support your position, use them. When they don't, or when you get caught lying, throw crap at the wall and hope something sticks!
The latest is the National Review which had this to say about my analysis on the birth certificate:
The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human.
This is what happens when you don't bother actually watching the video I posted, or looking into the provenance of what you're arguing over - you just throw crap at the wall. Nathan goes on to post a PDF that he scanned which shows his "layers."
Unfortunately, in doing so, he proved that I'm correct.
See, the issue isn't layers. Yes, the layers are suspicious, but they're not the smoking gun. The smoking gun is that there are no chromatic artifacts in the Obama document, but the document is allegedly a color scan of an actual piece of paper, and we know it had to be a color scan because the background is allegedly color safety paper.
National Review's document, unsurprisingly, is a scan of a color document. How do we know? Because if you simply pull it up in your web browser (which will open the embedded Acrobat Reader) and zoom it up, you will see this:
Note the chromatic aberration. This document is in fact a color scan.
And here is a blown-up piece of the so-called "scan" of Obama's document:
Note the absence of chromatic aberration. The Obama White House document is not an unaltered color scan.
Folks, this is physics. It is "how things work." It is why you see rainbows. Light always is refracted slightly differently depending on wavelength when it goes through a lens - as is necessary to focus it so as to make an image.
Could I scan an image in color and then make this "go away" in an image program? Probably. Why would you? The intent of the release, remember, is to produce an actual image of a physical document and the claim made was that this was a copy of a physical piece of paper.
The Obots were all over me yesterday with the claim that "well, it could have been an electronic copy." No, it wasn't. Beyond the fact that certified copies are always printed to paper and then authenticated (e.g. with a raised seal) there is documentary evidence that Hawaii did exactly that. Look here. Hawaii produced photocopies - not electronic copies, photostatic copies of the original.
Well, that's even more troublesome, because if they were photocopies how is it that the Associated Press and the White House wound up with two very different-looking documents? How do you take a photocopy and have two different "versions" of that same piece of paper magically appear - one with a green safety paper background and the other not? Incidentally, we know factually that the green "safety paper" in question did not exist and was not used in 1961 as there are dozens of close-in-time actual birth certificates from Hawaii that have been floating around the Internet and have been posted. Therefore, given that Hawaii has stated in a public, signed letter that it issued photostatic copies of the original in the bound book the copy on the White House site has to have been - at minimum - "enhanced."
My next question (which I've tried to get answered without success) is where did the AP get the piece of paper that they put into a scanner? And note carefully: AP did, in fact, place a piece of paper into a scanner and published what came out. There is no evidence that AP tampered with the digital representation of what they scanned, while there's plenty of evidence that the White House did, and in fact what the White House produced does not appear to be an actual scan at all but is a created digital document.
The question, therefore, is what was the source and provenance of the document AP scanned? We know the apparent answer: It came from the White House, and had to, since the correspondence says that there were only two copies produced and both went directly to White House counsel. What AP presented is only as good as the source of the paper they were handed.
There are others who have noted a number of other problems with the document presented. Among them are that there are no apparent tab stops used on the Obama "birth certificate." 1961 was the day of the typewriter, and nobody hand-centered things like that. Production typists used tab stops and if you look at other, known-authentic birth certificates from the time, you'll note that they're tab-aligned. Obama's is not. Remember Dan Rather and his little forgery? 20-something idiots in the White House IT department have never used an actual typewriter in their life. 40-something bloggers and their girlfriends (and "Batgirl" deserves recognition for the catch on this one) most certainly did during our school and college years, and we remember how they worked too. Nobody ever manually centered or manually-aligned production documents in a typewriter. Can that be explained? Maybe the janitor typed Obama's birth certificate. Or maybe he was "really special" compared to the thousands of other births in Hawaii, and a lowly typist in 1961 "knew" he should have a "really pretty" typed certificate because he'd be President 40 years later. It's also entirely plausible that aliens really did land in Roswell, you know.
Other curiosities include the fact that the time of birth is exactly the same on the (now-discredited - or is it?) Kenyan birth certificate that has been floating around the Internet, and that registration dates on the long-form match the Kenyan "forgery" as well. How did a purely fraudulent document in a foreign nation happen to wind up with the exact same time of birth and certification dates as the alleged "real" certificate - if Hawaii never released the latter information until now? That's a hell of a coincidence. Yes, I know the time of birth was "out there." The certification dates were not, to the best of my ability to determine, public knowledge.
This debate is not, at this point, about whether Obama was born in the United States. There are plenty of people who question that, but this case simply isn't about that any more.
This case is about whether a sitting President presented an altered - that is, forged - document to the American public and claimed it was authentic. You cannot at the same time have Hawaii state that they made two PHOTOCOPIES of an original in a book and then have the White House and AP release "scanned" copies of that document which appear to have been printed on entirely-different paper, never mind that one of them is clearly not a simple scan.
The evidence strongly supports this allegation. The obvious next question is this: What, Mr. President, are you trying to hide, and we then must turn to whether a sitting President should be permitted to erase the tapes that document his knowledge of a break-in to a hotel....
We have both a 14th Amendment now, and various Acts of Congress.
But one thing I'll throw out there. I can't look at the layers, but saw a video where you turn off and on the layer with the terminal 1 in the certificate number; some say it's a different font. But that you only have 10 digits to play with.
What I notice about that is that artifacts or bleedthrough are mentioned, some have been discussed. I wonder if the one wasn't on the main document for whatever reason, and the opacity slider was not set at 100% for that layer which caused the bleedthrough, easy to show visually if I could. People who know Photoshop will know what I''m talking about. And there could be some other explanation. An OCR scanner could drop the 1 and mess up other things but don't know what it would do with the handwriting. They're designed to scan text.
Obviously the BC number on factcheck COLB and the number on what was released have to match.
FWIW, it looks like the doctor part is on a separate layer as someone showed on YT.
Tab stops? I've done hundreds of forms, and unless I did the same form over and over (can't remember a single incidence offhand), I didn't bother to set the tabs. Just spaced over, released the carriage lock and rolled it up or down to position the data in the right spaces or boxes of the various forms.
I'll reserve final judgment until later. Much later. When you're not an expert, someone can convince you of a lot of things one way or another.
Are you that much of a moron.... do you really not pay attention or are you a liberal troll.
BOTH PARENTS, get it... BOTH PARENTS had to have been US citizens to be natural born, not just one.
He’s right. The judges and politicos really don’t have the fortitude to do the right thing. They would likely let the Constitution be amended by political correctness, or by judicial activism, instead of being original constructionist by abiding to the meaning and intent of the US Constitutional framers.
Natural Born means NOT NATURALIZED!
That is all it means.
Citizenship at birth means Natural Born Citizen.
What about the lack of aliasing on the type? If you type if Photoshop, you can smooth it out and there are other ways. It’s all sharp and choppy. I can’t explain it, doesn’t necessarily mean anything.
That's right it's an act of Congress as are Constitutional Amendments. These are man made which are artificial and not natural. Natural laws are not man made as the US Constitution in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 is a reference to Natural Law.
What are you talking about?
I asked a question.
Why the hostility?
You got that right, he does a lot of trolling with other peoples’ work like from the ‘Naked Capitalism’ site, he has been notified more than once to link back to the source of his ‘comments.’
Bump.
"Folks, this is physics. It is 'how things work.' It is why you see rainbows. Light always is refracted slightly differently depending on wavelength when it goes through a lens - as is necessary to focus it so as to make an image."
To make a copy (or scans in this case) using one of them machines the image of the document passes through a lens -- producing a copy from a computer file simply prints pixels.
There are several illustrations in these replies.
On the contrary, you are wrong, and going through the entire thread to tell everyone else that they are, doesn't make you right.
Simple
I’m affraid that they do.Its beltway is all that needs to be said.Dont trust them.We should hit the sumbitch with everything we got.Birthers are crazy? Who frickin cares what they say.We have people that are pissed with this gubmint and they are on our side,not theirs.
Here he is mistaken. The "Gold Standard" twins BC is centered similarly to WH copy.
You are a minority, and there is no case law, since the 14th Amendment, to back you up.
You are now pulling “Natural Law” out of your hat, because you can not win your case based on the 14th Amendment and Congressional Acts and Court cases still in effect, under CURRENT LAW!
You are a minority, and there is no case law, since the 14th Amendment, to back you up.
You are now pulling “Natural Law” out of your hat, because you can not win your case based on the 14th Amendment and Congressional Acts and Court cases still in effect, under CURRENT LAW!
You are a minority, and there is no case law, since the 14th Amendment, to back you up.
You are now pulling “Natural Law” out of your hat, because you can not win your case based on the 14th Amendment and Congressional Acts and Court cases still in effect, under CURRENT LAW!
No I’m not. Go look up natural law vs. positive law. You may figure it out then.
sorry for the multiple posts, not intentional
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