Posted on 04/30/2011 8:37:33 PM PDT by Triple
(Note:the HTML on the images was tricky for me - if they don't show up it is my fault)
Oh do come on folks.
There's an old saying: When the facts support your position, use them. When they don't, or when you get caught lying, throw crap at the wall and hope something sticks!
The latest is the National Review which had this to say about my analysis on the birth certificate:
The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human.
This is what happens when you don't bother actually watching the video I posted, or looking into the provenance of what you're arguing over - you just throw crap at the wall. Nathan goes on to post a PDF that he scanned which shows his "layers."
Unfortunately, in doing so, he proved that I'm correct.
See, the issue isn't layers. Yes, the layers are suspicious, but they're not the smoking gun. The smoking gun is that there are no chromatic artifacts in the Obama document, but the document is allegedly a color scan of an actual piece of paper, and we know it had to be a color scan because the background is allegedly color safety paper.
National Review's document, unsurprisingly, is a scan of a color document. How do we know? Because if you simply pull it up in your web browser (which will open the embedded Acrobat Reader) and zoom it up, you will see this:
Note the chromatic aberration. This document is in fact a color scan.
And here is a blown-up piece of the so-called "scan" of Obama's document:
Note the absence of chromatic aberration. The Obama White House document is not an unaltered color scan.
Folks, this is physics. It is "how things work." It is why you see rainbows. Light always is refracted slightly differently depending on wavelength when it goes through a lens - as is necessary to focus it so as to make an image.
Could I scan an image in color and then make this "go away" in an image program? Probably. Why would you? The intent of the release, remember, is to produce an actual image of a physical document and the claim made was that this was a copy of a physical piece of paper.
The Obots were all over me yesterday with the claim that "well, it could have been an electronic copy." No, it wasn't. Beyond the fact that certified copies are always printed to paper and then authenticated (e.g. with a raised seal) there is documentary evidence that Hawaii did exactly that. Look here. Hawaii produced photocopies - not electronic copies, photostatic copies of the original.
Well, that's even more troublesome, because if they were photocopies how is it that the Associated Press and the White House wound up with two very different-looking documents? How do you take a photocopy and have two different "versions" of that same piece of paper magically appear - one with a green safety paper background and the other not? Incidentally, we know factually that the green "safety paper" in question did not exist and was not used in 1961 as there are dozens of close-in-time actual birth certificates from Hawaii that have been floating around the Internet and have been posted. Therefore, given that Hawaii has stated in a public, signed letter that it issued photostatic copies of the original in the bound book the copy on the White House site has to have been - at minimum - "enhanced."
My next question (which I've tried to get answered without success) is where did the AP get the piece of paper that they put into a scanner? And note carefully: AP did, in fact, place a piece of paper into a scanner and published what came out. There is no evidence that AP tampered with the digital representation of what they scanned, while there's plenty of evidence that the White House did, and in fact what the White House produced does not appear to be an actual scan at all but is a created digital document.
The question, therefore, is what was the source and provenance of the document AP scanned? We know the apparent answer: It came from the White House, and had to, since the correspondence says that there were only two copies produced and both went directly to White House counsel. What AP presented is only as good as the source of the paper they were handed.
There are others who have noted a number of other problems with the document presented. Among them are that there are no apparent tab stops used on the Obama "birth certificate." 1961 was the day of the typewriter, and nobody hand-centered things like that. Production typists used tab stops and if you look at other, known-authentic birth certificates from the time, you'll note that they're tab-aligned. Obama's is not. Remember Dan Rather and his little forgery? 20-something idiots in the White House IT department have never used an actual typewriter in their life. 40-something bloggers and their girlfriends (and "Batgirl" deserves recognition for the catch on this one) most certainly did during our school and college years, and we remember how they worked too. Nobody ever manually centered or manually-aligned production documents in a typewriter. Can that be explained? Maybe the janitor typed Obama's birth certificate. Or maybe he was "really special" compared to the thousands of other births in Hawaii, and a lowly typist in 1961 "knew" he should have a "really pretty" typed certificate because he'd be President 40 years later. It's also entirely plausible that aliens really did land in Roswell, you know.
Other curiosities include the fact that the time of birth is exactly the same on the (now-discredited - or is it?) Kenyan birth certificate that has been floating around the Internet, and that registration dates on the long-form match the Kenyan "forgery" as well. How did a purely fraudulent document in a foreign nation happen to wind up with the exact same time of birth and certification dates as the alleged "real" certificate - if Hawaii never released the latter information until now? That's a hell of a coincidence. Yes, I know the time of birth was "out there." The certification dates were not, to the best of my ability to determine, public knowledge.
This debate is not, at this point, about whether Obama was born in the United States. There are plenty of people who question that, but this case simply isn't about that any more.
This case is about whether a sitting President presented an altered - that is, forged - document to the American public and claimed it was authentic. You cannot at the same time have Hawaii state that they made two PHOTOCOPIES of an original in a book and then have the White House and AP release "scanned" copies of that document which appear to have been printed on entirely-different paper, never mind that one of them is clearly not a simple scan.
The evidence strongly supports this allegation. The obvious next question is this: What, Mr. President, are you trying to hide, and we then must turn to whether a sitting President should be permitted to erase the tapes that document his knowledge of a break-in to a hotel....
I am cute, but that’s not the point. My point is that on the day the Constitution was adopted, there was no naturalization process, therefore no naturalized citizens. Your position is that the grandfather clause was written to cover naturalized citizens. Since the grandfather clause only refers to the status of citizens on the day the Constitution was adopted, it couldn’t possibly be referring to naturalized citizens since the US had no naturalized citizens on that day. I never claimed that the founders never put a naturalization process in place. Don’t try to misrepresent what I said.
You tend to decide what you want, and then you only look at that which agrees with your position.
The majority of legal minds do not agree with you.
That does not make you wrong, but it does grant me a bit more respect than you seem willing to give.
Yes, I'm certain the legal scholars over at DU and DailyKOS agree with you. Perhaps you should report back to them on your success in hijacking Obama eligibility threads.
God Grant me the Serenity
To Accept the things
I can NOT change
The Courage
To change the things
I can
And the WISDOM
To know the difference!
I have spelled out reality to you. If you are an enemy of reality, than you never will be much of a strategist, in politics, war or the law!
I think you meant born in USA is a native born citizen. There is a higher standard for Natural Born Citizen.
My position is that if you are a Citizen at birth, you are a Natural Born Citizen.
However, I do not believe that we have to grant citizenship to everyone born on US Soil.
“Subject to the Jurisdiction thereof” would indicate that if divorce court or child custody court would be in a foreign country, you do not have to be granted Citizenship.
My Senator, Jerry Moran, agrees with me on this point, a simple act of Congress could correct that matter.
However, I do not believe that Natural Born Citizen means, today, any more than you were made a Citizen by virtue of your birth, automatically, under US Law at the time of your birth and at the moment of your birth.
I do not believe that a Naturalized Citizen can ever become President, under existing law.
Now, I am not a lawyer but I think I know as much about the issue as most Lawyers, and besides, if lawyers were always right we would not need court rooms, would we?
Those of you who insist that Obama can not be a Citizen due to his Father have already lost, that issue has been decided and it is over, for ever more.
Yes.. You are right. Logic (re: ozero’s Kenyan father) has lost the battle and we strive now for simple tyranny. The lawyers and black robed pols seem excited to get us there.
You have a lot to learn my friend....
We are a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. The voters cannot overide the Consitution unless it is legally amended.
BOTH PARENTS have to be US Citizens or the child in not “NATURAL BORN”
I suggest you not talk down to me, I know the Constitution, and the law as well, if not better than you.
Please look at my profile. How many not lawyers when, representing themselves, in the Court of Appeals?
It is VERY MUCH in the power of Congress to limit the jurisdiction of the Courts.
It is VERY MUCH in the power of Congress to set the terms of who is and is not a Citizen of this country.
Natural Born Citizen = Citizen at Birth.
PERIOD!
You can wish it meant something else, but that battle has been lost and that fight is over for you.
Or at least, it should be.
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