Posted on 04/30/2011 8:37:33 PM PDT by Triple
You cannot say that...because it has no clear legible embossed, dated and signed seal of the DOH of Hawaii - that document cannot be used to certify anything FOR or AGAINST Obama.
It has no value except as a public opinion and political manipulation piece.
=8-)
I really wish Freepers would wise up to that fact. You cannot use anything on what Obama releases to prove something FOR or AGAINST him unless it is in original certified form as generated by the State of Hawaii.
You obviously can’t recognize fact. I never said McCain had a problem. I said the dems went after him. Prove me wrong! I also said McCain’s situation was nothing compared to Obama’s obvious ineligibility.
Either you cannot read or you hate the Constitution. I’m not sure which is your biggest problem. But you are not helping at all neither are those like you who are in office and refuse to stand for the Constitution.
I hereby brush aside YOUR interpretation of the Constitution since I think YOU are wrong.
So did the majority of the Country, and they did so without me, as I voted for McCain.
SORRY THE STATE DEPARTMENT DOCS ARE FROM BEFORE HILLARY
Asked and answered.
The Founders used the term “Natural Born” to prohibit any NATURALIZED Citizen from ever being POTUS.
Because they're to stupid to vote, or they gleefully ignored the Constitution to do the "cool" thing and elect the black guy.
You are dense.
What’s your source?
I take it that the 14th amendment was an adjunct to the original adopted Constitution. As such the adopted Constitution still stands on it’s own root. I also believe that ‘natural born’ is distinct from other class of citizen noted in the Constitution and such as ‘native’ born or naturalized. My reading of the discussions of the Founding Fathers in considering and adopting wording for the Constitution is that they intended to set a rock bottom requirement for POTUSA which would not be subverted by any other class. The Arthur case and Obama’s case shows how best laid plans and words of good men sometimes fall to evil persons coniving.
Every typewriter has it’s own type “signature”, resulting from the age of the keys, the manufacturer, whether they are in vertical and horizontal symmetry, force of impact, etc. Many court cases have hinged on establishing the source of the type signature. The purported Obama birth certificate has a type signature that is quite different from the Nordyke twins birth certificates supposedly produced a couple of days subsequent to Obama’s.
Obviously it’s possible that a different machine was used for the Obama certificate, but it appears to have been typed on a much older piece of equipment. Look at the capital K and capital S. They don’t line up in symmetry with the lower case letters or other capitals. The type on the Nordyke documents including the K and S are in noticeably tighter symmetry.
I just don't want to use bad strategy or bad law or stupid arguments in the process.
Doing it the wrong way means it won't get done.
I WANT questions about Obama’s terrible photoshop documents out there, I want to question him about his phony Ayers written book -—
But the idea that his foreign Father disqualifies him is not going to fly.
What we have are lies...not forgeries.
It would be a forgery if:
1. Obama handed you a document as generated by the DOH of Hawaii - not a copy thereof - but the actual document created by the DOH when created.
2. It contained the actual embossed, dated and signed seal.
3. It appears to be alterated, abnormal, “fishy”.
4. You convince a judge of #3.
5. The judge subpoenas the DOH of Hawaii to open the sealed record in court for comparison purpose.
6. And it turns out the two do match and confirming a forgery.
Then you have established a forgery!
All we have now are simple lies -
I’ve already predicted on several threads that Obama being very slick will never present the actual embossed seal containing DOH generated copy as-is (assuming they do) because he will have to alter it to have it say what he wants it to say - thereby putting himself in legal jeopardy.
He will always present a copy of or a scan of that will not meet certification requirements and rely on the media to assist him in maintaining his lie.
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On this point, we have NOTHING NEW!
The trouble with that is that the founders KNEW what “Natural Born Citizen” meant. They used it SPECIFICALLY there and nowhere else. They realized that the 1790 law was a mistake and took it out by replacing the law in 1795.
Not by your actions on this thread. You're just a disruptor.
But the fact that it happens to be the truth seems to bother you. A lot.
If we have lost, it is because we refused to obey the laws as written. We wouldn't stand up for what is right and fight what is wrong. All of you who refuse to fight are killing this country. Because you would rather lie down and let them trample over you and the Constitution, you are no better than the usurpers who are trying to take this country and ruin it.
Itstoolatetoreadthisnowpingforlater
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