Posted on 04/30/2011 8:37:33 PM PDT by Triple
(Note:the HTML on the images was tricky for me - if they don't show up it is my fault)
Oh do come on folks.
There's an old saying: When the facts support your position, use them. When they don't, or when you get caught lying, throw crap at the wall and hope something sticks!
The latest is the National Review which had this to say about my analysis on the birth certificate:
The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human.
This is what happens when you don't bother actually watching the video I posted, or looking into the provenance of what you're arguing over - you just throw crap at the wall. Nathan goes on to post a PDF that he scanned which shows his "layers."
Unfortunately, in doing so, he proved that I'm correct.
See, the issue isn't layers. Yes, the layers are suspicious, but they're not the smoking gun. The smoking gun is that there are no chromatic artifacts in the Obama document, but the document is allegedly a color scan of an actual piece of paper, and we know it had to be a color scan because the background is allegedly color safety paper.
National Review's document, unsurprisingly, is a scan of a color document. How do we know? Because if you simply pull it up in your web browser (which will open the embedded Acrobat Reader) and zoom it up, you will see this:
Note the chromatic aberration. This document is in fact a color scan.
And here is a blown-up piece of the so-called "scan" of Obama's document:
Note the absence of chromatic aberration. The Obama White House document is not an unaltered color scan.
Folks, this is physics. It is "how things work." It is why you see rainbows. Light always is refracted slightly differently depending on wavelength when it goes through a lens - as is necessary to focus it so as to make an image.
Could I scan an image in color and then make this "go away" in an image program? Probably. Why would you? The intent of the release, remember, is to produce an actual image of a physical document and the claim made was that this was a copy of a physical piece of paper.
The Obots were all over me yesterday with the claim that "well, it could have been an electronic copy." No, it wasn't. Beyond the fact that certified copies are always printed to paper and then authenticated (e.g. with a raised seal) there is documentary evidence that Hawaii did exactly that. Look here. Hawaii produced photocopies - not electronic copies, photostatic copies of the original.
Well, that's even more troublesome, because if they were photocopies how is it that the Associated Press and the White House wound up with two very different-looking documents? How do you take a photocopy and have two different "versions" of that same piece of paper magically appear - one with a green safety paper background and the other not? Incidentally, we know factually that the green "safety paper" in question did not exist and was not used in 1961 as there are dozens of close-in-time actual birth certificates from Hawaii that have been floating around the Internet and have been posted. Therefore, given that Hawaii has stated in a public, signed letter that it issued photostatic copies of the original in the bound book the copy on the White House site has to have been - at minimum - "enhanced."
My next question (which I've tried to get answered without success) is where did the AP get the piece of paper that they put into a scanner? And note carefully: AP did, in fact, place a piece of paper into a scanner and published what came out. There is no evidence that AP tampered with the digital representation of what they scanned, while there's plenty of evidence that the White House did, and in fact what the White House produced does not appear to be an actual scan at all but is a created digital document.
The question, therefore, is what was the source and provenance of the document AP scanned? We know the apparent answer: It came from the White House, and had to, since the correspondence says that there were only two copies produced and both went directly to White House counsel. What AP presented is only as good as the source of the paper they were handed.
There are others who have noted a number of other problems with the document presented. Among them are that there are no apparent tab stops used on the Obama "birth certificate." 1961 was the day of the typewriter, and nobody hand-centered things like that. Production typists used tab stops and if you look at other, known-authentic birth certificates from the time, you'll note that they're tab-aligned. Obama's is not. Remember Dan Rather and his little forgery? 20-something idiots in the White House IT department have never used an actual typewriter in their life. 40-something bloggers and their girlfriends (and "Batgirl" deserves recognition for the catch on this one) most certainly did during our school and college years, and we remember how they worked too. Nobody ever manually centered or manually-aligned production documents in a typewriter. Can that be explained? Maybe the janitor typed Obama's birth certificate. Or maybe he was "really special" compared to the thousands of other births in Hawaii, and a lowly typist in 1961 "knew" he should have a "really pretty" typed certificate because he'd be President 40 years later. It's also entirely plausible that aliens really did land in Roswell, you know.
Other curiosities include the fact that the time of birth is exactly the same on the (now-discredited - or is it?) Kenyan birth certificate that has been floating around the Internet, and that registration dates on the long-form match the Kenyan "forgery" as well. How did a purely fraudulent document in a foreign nation happen to wind up with the exact same time of birth and certification dates as the alleged "real" certificate - if Hawaii never released the latter information until now? That's a hell of a coincidence. Yes, I know the time of birth was "out there." The certification dates were not, to the best of my ability to determine, public knowledge.
This debate is not, at this point, about whether Obama was born in the United States. There are plenty of people who question that, but this case simply isn't about that any more.
This case is about whether a sitting President presented an altered - that is, forged - document to the American public and claimed it was authentic. You cannot at the same time have Hawaii state that they made two PHOTOCOPIES of an original in a book and then have the White House and AP release "scanned" copies of that document which appear to have been printed on entirely-different paper, never mind that one of them is clearly not a simple scan.
The evidence strongly supports this allegation. The obvious next question is this: What, Mr. President, are you trying to hide, and we then must turn to whether a sitting President should be permitted to erase the tapes that document his knowledge of a break-in to a hotel....
Obama born in USA he is a citizen. (BUT NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN). Not born on U.S. soil, he is an illegal alien.
Regarless of where he was born, regardless of his mothers citizenship, If Barrack Obama Sr. is his legal father, Barack Obama is ineligible to the office of president PERIOD!
Wrong. Both parents must be citizens.
Placemark.
So why hasn’t the impeachment started then?
No one in Congress will stand up?
You would think someone in Congress would stand up and speak out if it were that simple.
So to you, every Mexican anchor baby is eligible to be president?
WRONG.
And everyone is just ignoring it?
Biden would President, wouldn’t he?
He must not want the position if it’s that simple and Obama is not eligible.
And, by the way, the entire world knew that Obama had a father who was NOT a United States Citizen.
It was not an issue in the campaign. No State challenged it. (Though I wish a State or two had asked for the BC!)
You have no case. Common Law is not operative. Natural Law is not operative.
We have the 14th Amendment and we have Acts of Congress, yes, POSITIVE LAW which, if we ever get to the merits of the case, will be what any Court will look at.
Not your bogus “Natural Law” fantasies.
NOBODY thinks we can remove Obama from office based on the fact that his Father was not a Citizen!
Well, nobody with any real sense of the law or politics or history believes it can be done or would ever work.
Only something that the people did NOT know, before Obama was elected, will even come close to harming Obama, at this point. Yes, that is a political, not a legal argument, but I make it in the hope it might persuade you to drop a stupid legal argument.
I don't know why you would assume that. When has Congress ever proved they are willing to do the right thing and follow the law? I think they are all afraid of the fallout if they try to de-throne our first black president.
STOP RIGHT THERE.
You show me where in the 14th amendment the phrase “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” appears?
Oh...... It DOESN'T??????? Move along, nothing to see here in that post.
You know how many cities will burn if the truth came out? Civil War II would be under way, and the international community would side with the Obamites as we who presented the truth would be called "racists wishing to return to the days of slavery."
Spot on!
Absolutely correct! That was why I was so interested in seeing his birth certificate. With the posting of this document, Obama reveals he is ineligible for the office of president. Real or fake, he is still not qualified to be president because the birth father listed on the document is not a US citizen.
Obama will never be able to meet the constitutional requirement for the office of president because he is not a natural born citizen of the US.
NO, if neither parent is a citizen, I don't even buy the “anchor baby” situation we have now, with illegals having kids in the United States. The 14th Amendment says, “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” which means, if the parents split up, custody probably won't be decided by a US Court, so -— the kid is NOT a citizen of the United States.
In your silly example? None were ever citizens, none ever became citizens.
“the kid would NOT be a Citizen at BIRTH!”
Citizen at birth is not Natural Born Citizen.
To be a citizen of the United States there are TWO ways.
1. Citizen by birth
2. Citizen by statute
To qualify for PRESIDENT, you must be a Citizen by birth, with two parents who were citizens when you were born.
You’re contradicting yourself. You said that born on US soil means citizenship and eligibility. You therefor believe that applies to anchor babies.
Because they're afraid of the race riots that will ensue.
Biden should run with it. He certainly wants the job, and it appears that he’s a shoe in since Zer0’s father was not a citizen.
Because he’s black...well, half black. Can’t you just imagine the furor of the blacks in this country if Congress announced that this ass isn’t eligible? None, and I mean NONE of them have the balls for that.
John Bingham stated in the House of Representatives in 1862:
Who are natural-born citizens but those born in the Republic? […] [P]ersons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.[13]
He reiterated his statement in 1866:
Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.[14]
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