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SOBERING KNOWLEDGE FROM COPS
backwoodshome.com ^ | 27 April, 2011 | Massad Ayoob

Posted on 04/28/2011 5:04:56 AM PDT by marktwain

The week before last, I attended and taught at the annual conference of ILEETA, the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association. Despite the economy, the event drew some 725 police trainers from around the country and several other nations, even though a huge number had to subsidize their attendance out of their own pockets.

It is a horrible year for police line of duty deaths. This past weekend alone, at least three cops in different parts of the US were murdered in the line of duty. Much of the emphasis of this year’s training was on Officer Safety and Survival.

The general consensus of police, military, and national intelligence is that it’s only a matter of time before this nation experiences an incident reminiscent of Beslan or Mumbai: armed, trained, committed terrorists massacring the innocent with automatic weapons and explosives. My old friend Jeff Chudwin, Chief of Police in Olympia Fields, Illinois and one of the nation’s leading authorities on such things, gave a compelling presentation on the topic.

At a time when we need more, better-trained and -equipped cops than ever, we’re seeing police layoffs, hiring freezes, and budget cuts. Many of the presenters addressed how to deliver quality training with less money for equipment, ammunition, and pay for officers attending.

For the private citizen, what all this is saying is to be prepared for disaster. Remember Hurricane Katrina, just six short years ago. In a nation where there are only about 800,000 cops to serve an estimated 320,000,000 citizens, it’s absolutely true that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

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To: Erik Latranyi
Lesson: You are on your own and when you are out-gunned, out-manned and out-classed by the enemy, get out and take your chances. Staying put only raises the liklihood of your execution.

What do ALL safety classes teach children and women about being abducted? Scream, make a scene, do everything possible to NOT be taken! Because as we all know, once they are in the vehicle or inside the building and out of sight of others, their chance of survival drops to less than 2% once they are actually TAKEN!

It should always, ALWAYS be the instruction to get out, away, do NOT comply until you have no choice due to being PHYSICALLY RESTRAINED! PERIOD! I tell my kids that all the time! Fight, kick, scream, punch, bite, run - DO NOT BE TAKEN!
21 posted on 04/28/2011 6:43:17 AM PDT by ExTxMarine ("Convictions are more dangerous to truth than lies." ~ F. Nietzsche)
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To: tiki
I have been stopped and not ticketed so many times for manufactured reasons that I will not let a cop follow me. I pull over ASAP,....

I'm trying to understand what you're saying. What do you mean about not letting them follow you? Do they follow you with no lights on?
22 posted on 04/28/2011 6:49:28 AM PDT by Shannon
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To: null and void

I assume you are in San Jose, California? California has their own self inflicted problems.


23 posted on 04/28/2011 6:59:23 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: caver
This is BS. There are more cops now than ever. They are armed to max like SWAT teams and almost totally militarized. I can’t drive across our small city without seeing at least 3 or 4 police cars. They sure don’t give me any sense of comfort. Even such departments like Indiana’s DNR has a fully loaded SWAT team. We don’t need any more cops.

Having more cops is ineffective, when the cops practice a "catch and release" program. We could get by on a fraction of the police force, IF the funding was transferred to more prison space for chronic offenders.

24 posted on 04/28/2011 7:07:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: marktwain
All the more reason for us to encourage citizens to be armed and prepared.

MUCH better plan then theirs. Not only is defense in depth much more effective than their plan, but this way is less expensive, and it leaves the proper segment of society empowered. You generally don't worry about the neighbors on your block setting up a tyranny you have to resist with armed force at risk to your life. Well, at least if you don't live in an HOA anyway.

25 posted on 04/28/2011 7:12:54 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: marktwain
massacring the innocent with automatic weapons and explosives

oh no that cant happen here. those things are illegal for gosh sakes.
26 posted on 04/28/2011 7:14:38 AM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: Ratman83

RE: the bad ones

Heard on Tape: Cops Trying to Fix Domestic Violence and DWI Raps

April 26, 2011

Murray Weiss reports the NYPD ticket-fixing scandal involves (much) more than traffic violations.

http://www.dnainfo.com/20110426/manhattan/heard-on-tape-cops-trying-fix-domestic-violence-dwi-raps#ixzz1KpJqCVQK


27 posted on 04/28/2011 7:24:16 AM PDT by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: marktwain
It grieves me to see how popular media normalize the militarization and federalization of our once-local police forces. Most of the TV cop shows present as normal the military raid, with military equipment, on American citizens minding their own (sometimes illegal) business in their own homes.

The real-world results are not as cinematic. At Columbine, the federally-equipped troops cowered behind their Real Police Armored Cars, with their Real Police Automatic Weapons and chatted for several hours on their Real Police Radio Sets while a teacher slowly bled to death inside.

R J Rushdoony once pointed out that American police forces are -- or once were -- unique in the world in that they were agencies of the polis -- the local community. Elsewhere, the armed and uniformed troops enforce the will of the nation's central government. This seems to be the trend in our country -- and as our cops are converted into occupation forces, their role as protectors of the community they are part of fades into the mists of history. To repeat a typical conversation,

"Let me see your identification." (Zie Papieren, bitte ... the trademark remark of Nazi Germany)

"Why?"

"Because I asked you to."

(parenthetically -- the most extravagant "police action" of recent history was the federally-directed fund-raising circus that led to the largest massacre of American citizens since Wounded Knee, at around this time of year)

28 posted on 04/28/2011 7:25:43 AM PDT by it_ürür (kervan yürür)
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To: marktwain

Remember Hurricane Katrina is where the POLICE went door to door disarming those private citizens! The “us” vs “them” is ever changing.


29 posted on 04/28/2011 7:26:31 AM PDT by Duke_Digger
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To: caver
California has their own self inflicted problems.

Apparently not enough, we just can't wait to import more...

30 posted on 04/28/2011 7:48:14 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 826 of our national holiday from reality. - What 3 AM phone call?)
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To: PapaBear3625

Very true.


31 posted on 04/28/2011 7:57:25 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: flowerplough

I shoud have put a sarcasm tag on it, but I though the “bad one” would work.


32 posted on 04/28/2011 8:07:19 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: caver
They are armed to max like SWAT teams and almost totally militarized.

No kidding. I saw a sheriff's deputy wearing a combat harness, brown military style shooting sweater with leather patch on the shoulder, BDU trousers bloused over jump boots. I started laughing hysterically when I saw his vehicle: an SUV marked County Parks Division.

33 posted on 04/28/2011 9:25:38 AM PDT by magslinger (What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
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To: All; Duke_Digger; marktwain

When I read, “Remember Hurricane Katrina, just six short years ago” memories flashed through my head of an old American woman being brutally disarmed by a California Highway Patrol officer who volunteered his services for the storm. The illegal confiscation of hundred personal firearms by the National Guardsmen and local LEO’s from American citizens that even today have not all been all accounted for. The murder of the American people on the bridge by police officers, who just last month they were finally convicted of.

American citizens had better get off their knees before it’s too late or have you become comfortable where you are? Stand still and stop mumbling, listen to what is going on around you. Can’t you hear them dragging the chains out? We need to destroy the Establishment, not disassemble it, destroy it because they don’t have our best interests in mind. Think I’m wrong? I’ll debate anyone about the loss of our American culture in the past three, two, or even one decade, or since the muslum took office while American Senators sat on their ass.


34 posted on 04/28/2011 10:12:04 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: null and void
This is BS. There are more cops now than ever.

Not here...

106 San Jose cops get layoff notices

Nor Here:

The Illinois State Police will lay off more than 460 troopers and close five regional headquarters by this fall, acting State Police director Jonathon Monken said Tuesday.

35 posted on 04/28/2011 1:49:14 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: caver
They are armed to max like SWAT teams and almost totally militarized.

Gets around that icky "Posse Commitatus".

36 posted on 04/28/2011 5:55:16 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ZX12R

>US Code Title 18 , Part I , Chapter 13 , § 241 – Conspiracy Against Rights

Militarized Police Forces *ARE* The Standing Armies The Founders Were Worried About.


37 posted on 04/28/2011 6:07:11 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: DuncanWaring

>Gets around that icky “Posse Commitatus”.

Posse Commitatus is a “feel good” law; it is superseded by the Constitution which states in Art 1, Sec 8:
The Congress shall have Power To [...] provide for calling forth the Militia to ***execute the Laws of the Union***, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

And again in Art 4, Sec 4:
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; ***and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.***


38 posted on 04/28/2011 6:11:58 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
You missed the point.

A bunker is fine if you can defend it.

A bunker is useless if you are facing 30 men armed with machine guns and grenades.

The authorities tell people to stay put and take shelter.....not good advice in most Mumbai-type attacks, which is what we are discussing here.

You'll have to forgive me, I got misled by the line about Columbine and V. Tech, which are places where it is criminal for people to be armed.

39 posted on 04/28/2011 8:56:13 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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