Nine Americans Methodically Killed By Afghan Pilot at Kabul Airport

abc ^ | April 27, 2011 | MARTHA RADDATZ

[BenLurkin]

An Afghan Air Corps pilot, angered by an argument with nine American trainers at Kabul airport, pulled a gun on the Americans, disarmed them and methodically killed them, officials said today.

The shooter then apparently shot and killed himself.

The Afghan military said the gunman was a 20 year veteran of the Afghan Air Corps who had gotten in an argument with the American trainers during a meeting in a conference room at the Afghan Air Force headquarters.

A U.S. official told ABC News they believe the pilot left the meeting after the argument, then returned and forced the Americans to remove their weapons before shooting them with a U.S. provided M9 semi-automatic weapon.

"After the shooting started, we saw a number of Afghan army officers and soldiers running out of the building. Some were even throwing themselves out of the windows to get away," said Afghan Air Corps spokesman Col. Bahader.

A quick reaction force arrived at the scene shortly after the shootings and found the shooter dead. Officials believe the gunman killed himself.

The dead included eight U.S military personnel and one American contractor. Five Afghan soldiers were also injured in the shooting, said Bahader.

[phormer phrog phlyer]

When I was in training at Civil Affairs school in preparation for a deployment to Iraq, we were told when we had meetings with the locals, to be respectful and courteous “but be ready to kill everyone in the room” Sad loss of life, prayers to all of their loved ones.

[tjd1454]

Here’s my guess how this unspeakable massacre was done. The perpetrator put his gun to one of the American’s head and threatened to shoot unless everyone disarmed themselves NOW.

Appreciate all the armchair “they’ll never take me alive” cowboys on this thread. Question: what would YOU do, faced with seeing your buddy shot point blank?

I suspect the terrible sight of seeing their comrade in mortal danger caused them to hesitate until it was too late.

Point #1 on the Rules of Engagement should be that all U.S. service personnal carry weapons locked and loaded at all time - even on “secure” bases, and never NEVER trust the so-called “friendlies.”

[tjd1454]

Here’s my guess how this unspeakable massacre was done. The perpetrator put his gun to one of the American’s head and threatened to shoot unless everyone disarmed themselves NOW.

Appreciate all the armchair “they’ll never take me alive” cowboys on this thread. Question: what would YOU do, faced with seeing your buddy shot point blank?

I suspect the terrible sight of seeing their comrade in mortal danger caused them to hesitate until it was too late.

Point #1 on the Rules of Engagement should be that all U.S. service personnal carry weapons locked and loaded at all time - even on “secure” bases, and never NEVER trust the so-called “friendlies.”

[tjd1454]

Here’s my guess how this unspeakable massacre was done. The perpetrator put his gun to one of the American’s head and threatened to shoot unless everyone disarmed themselves NOW.

Appreciate all the armchair “they’ll never take me alive” cowboys on this thread. Question: what would YOU do, faced with seeing your buddy shot point blank?

I suspect the terrible sight of seeing their comrade in mortal danger caused them to hesitate until it was too late.

Point #1 on the Rules of Engagement should be that all U.S. service personnal carry weapons locked and loaded at all time - even on “secure” bases, and never NEVER trust the so-called “friendlies.”

[Gene Eric]

Prayers for the Americans.

I’m baffled, however, about their disarming.

[tjd1454]

My apologies for the multiple posts!

[Gene Eric]

>> “cooperate and you’ll be alright!”.....

>> or.....cooperate and you’ll be dead.

Krav Maga

[mcshot]

Amen to that. Long past time to hurriedly pack everything that can be used against our troops and allies and destroy the rest.

[vbmoneyspender]

In The Onion Field, Joseph Wambaugh wrote about the circumstances that led the LAPD to specifically train their officers never to surrender their weapons.

On March 9, 1963, LAPD officers Campbell and Karl Hettinger pulled over a car containing two suspicious-looking men on a Hollywood street.[1] The two men, Jimmy Lee Smith (aka "Jimmy Youngblood") and Gregory Ulas Powell, had recently committed a string of robberies. Powell, the driver, pulled a gun on Campbell and ordered Hettinger to surrender his gun to Smith. The two officers were then forced into Powell's car and driven to an onion field around Bakersfield where Campbell was fatally shot. Hettinger was able to escape, running nearly four miles to reach a farmhouse.[1]

Though Hettinger was able to escape, he was scorned by his fellow officers and suffered severe emotional trauma for both the initial incident and following fellow treatment. Eventually a police training video was made using his experience as example of what not to do when stopping and approaching a vehicle.

[robowombat]

Based on the rather extensive amount of opportunistic and just plain craven conduct I saw at in an Army MACOM HQ and in previous duty locations I am always very suspicious that in today's public relations and control obsessed universe chairborne warriors and milicrats will always opt for administrative micro management and bureaucratic overkill in designing administratively immaculate protocols. The aim of which is to be able to cover their lardy posteriors no matter what occurs while effectively putting US military personnel in greater risk by stifling common sense or even common law approaches.

If someone with a drawn handgun approached seven or eight armed men here in Louisiana and demanded they disarm the person making those demands would most likely end up dead and those who made him that way would not be prosecuted due to the way ‘self defense’ is interpreted in this state. If one of the people killed today had drawn and shot and killed this Afghan the shooter would probably be in deep trouble and at the very least his career would be ruined and he probably would be subjected to some sort of administrative punishment. Now it would be better to be subjected to such and be alive rather than be administratively virtuous and dead but the reality is that constant hectoring, harping , and thinly veiled threats of dire consequences for being ‘trigger happy’ or ‘acting like a cowboy’ do have a cumulative demoralizing effect on people who are in military bureaucratic regimes.

People don't want their careers destroyed or worse face the nightmare of running the judicial gauntlet. People do understand the underlying but unstated message that to far to many of those above them their lives and well being are less important than the protection of the positions and perquisites of the numerous faceless gray entities that concoct these sorts of butt protection programs.

[ScottinVA]

and never hand over your gun , even at gunpoint
Go down firing if necessary .
Never disarm

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Absolutely true. ESPECIALLY never disarm in the presence of a knuckledragging, hairy-tailed, snorting muslim.

[JadeEmperor]

"When there are 9 of you and just 1 muslim nut job - just rush him. Don’t let him disarm you one at a time..."

So easy to judge from the safety of your keyboard.