Posted on 04/27/2011 1:08:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin
An Afghan Air Corps pilot, angered by an argument with nine American trainers at Kabul airport, pulled a gun on the Americans, disarmed them and methodically killed them, officials said today.
The shooter then apparently shot and killed himself.
The Afghan military said the gunman was a 20 year veteran of the Afghan Air Corps who had gotten in an argument with the American trainers during a meeting in a conference room at the Afghan Air Force headquarters.
A U.S. official told ABC News they believe the pilot left the meeting after the argument, then returned and forced the Americans to remove their weapons before shooting them with a U.S. provided M9 semi-automatic weapon.
"After the shooting started, we saw a number of Afghan army officers and soldiers running out of the building. Some were even throwing themselves out of the windows to get away," said Afghan Air Corps spokesman Col. Bahader.
A quick reaction force arrived at the scene shortly after the shootings and found the shooter dead. Officials believe the gunman killed himself.
The dead included eight U.S military personnel and one American contractor. Five Afghan soldiers were also injured in the shooting, said Bahader.
(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
Ben, just IMAGINE how this story would have been trumpeted 24/7 if this incident had occurred on President Bush’s watch.
Just heard the top-of-the-hour network news. Nada.
As one of my long time friends who got to know a number of muzzies back in the 60’s during his days in the NSA always says, you’ll meet some nice ones, but regardless of how much they befriend you, never, EVER turn your back on one, meaning you can NEVER trust them no matter how well you think you know them.
(Rolls eyes and shakes head)
What is it going to take to get these stupid Americans to see the light on what Islam and Muzzies believe and practice?
How many more innocent lives will be taken until the world turns around and deals with them in a merciless manner?
Perhaps he will mention it during his campaign appearance on Oprah.
I'm calling Bullshit on that story. I wouldn’t give up my weapon. You'd have to pry it from my dead hands.
“cooperate and you’ll be alright!”.....
or.....cooperate and you’ll be dead.
All I can think of is that at some point during or after an argument the Afghan got behind a machine gun and ordered them to drop their weapons. Having known the Afghan long enough as a student, they probably convinced themselves that he was just angry and wouldn't actually shoot, and were complying to help defuse the situation. Maybe after taking one hostage, the others decided to disarm to talk the Afghan out of it?
Either way, once they were disarmed, he simply mowed them all down, then waited for the QRF. That's just speculation, but I don't see how else you could feasibly kill nine people before one of them rushed you. Most everyone I knew in Afghanistan had a knife handy for exactly such business.
I'm also against disarming at gunpoint with ten to one odds in my favor. The military is extremely risk averse these days, and a lot of that is ingrained more and more into basic decision making. There are still holdouts of aggressive thinking and action, but the military culture is increasingly one of passivity and ass-covering.
Back to the incident. Unfortunately, literally everyone who could shed light on this is dead. There'll be some forensic information of value, but no real explanation of the incident itself. What the troops were thinking is anybody's guess now.
GET OUR FOLKS THE HELL OUTTA THERE ASAP!!!
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“Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said the gunman impersonated an officer and gained access to the facility with the help of others working there.”.....
Get our guys out of there! Screw that damn hell hole!
No, something about being late for Oprah, some fundraiser dinner for his campaign in NY, a tee time tomorrow. But this might force him into acknowledging the deadly weather in the south the past few days. If he does comment on this, he’ll probably just say that he has talked to Karzai and they’re going to try to not have their guys kill ours so much in the future.
Seriously, this is such a sad event, and I cannot comprehend how he was able to disarm and kill nine of ours. Something is very wrong with our ROE, especially when you consider that there is a history of the muslim trainees turning on us.
The families of these slain service members will no doubt be livid and hopefully, loud, about what went wrong that allowed this to happen.
Carpet bomb the bastards!
Ah, reading the article helps. So, he used an M9? Really? And he took out how many people? Seems to me that pilot was in the wrong line of work. Anyway, that makes disarming all the more absurd.
Police have that training - doesn't our military?
I can hardly believe they just laid down their weapons upon command from an Afghan .
And were then executed
Reminds me of the helplessness of Ft. Hood
It should never happen .
Bury him with a dead pig.
US servicemen need to institute an unwritten “rule”. As much as humanly possible, NO Afghan national will go uncovered by an armed US soldier in any situation. This dirtbag should have died the minute he pulled the gun.
I don’t believe this account
Now, be clear in observing our reactions and our government’s reactions, and be clear in remembering the electionering, self-serving, nationalist phony outrage that comes out of Karzai every time some innocent civilian or Afgan soldier is ACCIDENTALLY killed by friendly fire.
Now, why; really why are we helping the Afghans?
When we are done, or simply when we leave, will we have changed them from the culture within which a majority of them can embrace the Taliban? We have to answer that question and if we cannot even ask it, then we need to just leave. Not another American should die trying to do for them what they don’t want to do for themselves - at least not enough of them it seems. And yes that IS sad for the rest. Maybe one day they will rebel against both Karzai and the Taliban on their own. Of course Pakistan will never let them succeed in that.
The Afghan pilot had befriended the American pilots over a long period of time and they had forgotten that he was a Muslim. When he told them to disarm, they thought of it in the same manner we might think of it here in America. But ultimately, Muslims do not see us in the same light. We are infidels, not really human, and no more problem to slaughter than a sheep.
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