Note that I turned off one of the elements in the group (circled in red) and what we have left is signatures+. Curious, isn't it?
Posted on 04/27/2011 10:13:46 AM PDT by RED SOUTH
The point is, the short form is wholly created by a computer program from facts recorded in a database.
Whereas, for a long form, the role of the database, if any, would have to be limited to storing and retrieving images scanned at various levels of quality. The textual data in such a database would have to be OCR'ed from the scanned images or be entered by a human or some combination, e.g., scan, OCR, then human proofreads and corrects. There are fancy document management systems available to support that sort of work flow on a large scale. They tend to be used by insurance companies and big law firms handling cases involving mounds of discovery paper.
I would surmise that Hawaii does not have the images scanned into their DB (a mistake in my view). That's why they discourage people from getting their long form. It's really simple to produce a CoLB from the database. But to fulfill a request for a long form, they have to go find the physical original bound in a book, push the book down on a copier, and press the button. That's a lot more work. But that's apparently what they did in this case.
Just as I would like to be listening when Obama found out they didn't save the document as a jpeg to flatten it.
It turns out that you can see the layers in other programs that work like adobe illustrator, like inkscape, which I've used to see the layers myself.
I perform asbestos analysis. I looked at the document under my 100x reflected light microscope. Unfortunately, it is not equipped for my camera. Definitely a clear white border around the letters that shouldn’t be there. Better than the other forgery released earlier, however.
Steve
I'm tempted to say "close enough" on this. But it's more complicated. PDF is Adobe owned and quite complex (it needs to be to work on all systems). Adobe licenses PDF in various ways. Apple, for example, buys the whole thing and, last I recall, Microsoft buys none. Various other vendors can license parts are all or build some kind of converter, etc.
Adobe Illustrator is unique in the PDF world. It is an Adobe product, it can use PDF as its native file format, it works with both vector and raster object and can convert and operate on both.
So, the questions of what Illustrator does or doesn't have to do to a PDF file versus others that license part or all of Adobe PDF is likely quite a ball of wax.
Now I tried both Inkscape and Foxit. No layers. Note also that the screenshot in post #5 shows only a layer 1, but no layer 2.
I don’t know about foxit, but in inkscape you open it and
1) when the dialog appears you uncheck the bottom two checkboxes that converts the fonts and embeds the images.
2) right click on the image and select “ungroup”
3) Click on the image and you should see little arrows show up around the image. Now you can move the individual layers.
I didn’t figure it out the first time either. I had to do it a second time before I figured it out. Good luck.
“Obama wrote a book about this fact. “
Oh well, so much for that theory.
So why did he hide it for so long?
A lot of novices place multiple objects on the same layer instead of creating new layers.
I’m not familiar with Inkscape or Foxit. I’m using Illustrator CS and Adobe Acrobat Pro.
I can zoom in to to the original PDF 640x in Illustrator. :)
Definitely a clear white border around the letters that shouldn’t be there.
Unless it is a sharpened raster file - which it is supposed to be. I really don't see anything in the layer angle or the white halo angle yet.
A lot of novices place multiple objects on the same layer instead of creating new layers.Indeed. So, you can confirm that there is in fact one layer in the PDF, not multiple ones?
I don’t know anyone who would create nine layer groups all named “Group” and all comprised of two layers, all named “Image” and “Path,” and all placed on one layer named Layer 1.
Not and expect to do anything with it. The only files I’ve seen with this kind of setup are software created layers.
Unless I’m missing something in this theory, the layers are software creations.
One layer with multiple objects added to an image.
They do appear to be software generated layers, but...why does the stuff NOT on the layers look totally different to the layered stuff. In other words the last number in the upper right of the certificate is not on a layer and the rest of the number is. Everything on the layers has sharp pixellated edges under magnification. Everything not on a layer has soft anti-aliased edges.
Note that I turned off one of the elements in the group (circled in red) and what we have left is signatures+. Curious, isn't it?
I’m fine with a conclusion that the layers are created by Illustrator. I’m just not wanting to claim that for a fact on the basis of my own expertise.
What I know is that other, non forged files exhibit the same behaviour as this poster describes.
You have parts of signatures plus.
For example, mom’s sig is part on one layer, part on another. The software didn’t recognize that it was all one thing.
I used to teach this stuff...lots of lazy people would drop multiple objects on the same layer with the base image. You have to physically tell it in PhotoShop and Illustrator (for example) to create a new layer for separate objects.
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