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To: rxsid

Thank you for showing the correct French for NBC is “sujets naturel”, not indigenes. Vattel wrote “indigenes”, which was mistranslated NBC years AFTER the Constitution.

You also were kind enough to point out John Jay’s letter contrasting those born in the US and foreigners as the standard. Notice he said nothing about needing citizen fathers.

And yes, at Independence, EVERY NBS automatically became a NBC for the purposes of the law.


1,463 posted on 04/28/2011 1:27:07 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Mr Rogers
"Vattel wrote “indigenes”"

PARTLY correct.

What is "indigenes?"

I'm sure you'd admit, "indigenous."

What Vattel wrote:

"Les naturels, ou indigenes"

The natural OR indigenous.

Again, as I've stated before, those terms were synonymous.

The framers could have choosen either natural OR indigenous. They choose to go with Jay's suggestion. Natural.

1,469 posted on 04/28/2011 2:22:14 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Mr Rogers

b.t.w. as I’ve shown on this page, both the father of the Constitution and the father of the Bill of Rights rejected the English Common Law as being that of the American Common Law during the ratification period.


1,470 posted on 04/28/2011 2:25:53 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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