Most Tea Partiers are pro-Israel; Paul isn't.
Most Tea Partiers aren't keen on hypocrites and Paul is a BIG one, re PORK.
Some Paulites claim that he started the TEA PARTY, which he didn't, and that annoys many Tea Partiers, who know the truth.
Look, you like him, you are devoted to him, I get that, but you are blinded by your own bias and don't want to accept the fact that the vast majority of GOPers and conservatives think that he is a KOOK and wouldn't vote for him if a gun was held to their heads.
The man is pushing 80, the easy way and he looks it. His views on the legalization of illicit substances and Israel, his hypocrisy vis-a-vis Pork, and the thuggishness of his supporters turns vast swaths of people off.
I'm done with this...............nothing I post appears to get through to you and your repeated, factless, delusional protestations have become ennui inducing.
I gave you his better numbers in the teens, when he won delegates, in earlier posts.
I don’t think that Israel is that important to tea partiers.
You’re wrong about the pork. I’ve heard the argument here somewhere between 100 and 1000 times. He doesn’t vote to spend the money. But he puts earmarks in. Back and forth.
The truth about tea party is that Ron Paul did use the name “tea party” to describe a money bomb in December 2007. That is true. And that was a very successful effort. And it did closely tie at that time “tea party” and “Ron Paul”.
But, the actual “tea party” movement was started by Rick Santelli in Jan or Feb 09 with his CNBC appearances. Some Ron Paul people are involved in the tea party. He is an influential with certain actual tea party members. I would assume that Palin would be the favorite with other tea party members.
You don’t realize how much things have changed. Conservatives would vote for Ron Paul before they’d vote for Mitt Romney. Just because you still want to call Ron Paul a kook, doesn’t mean that the rest of Conservatives will too.
I’m not making any predictions about how well Ron Paul is going to do. Better than last time, but beyond that, I don’t know. More people want what Ron Paul is selling now than in 2008, and he’s well known now.
And plenty of Conservatives do believe in a much smaller federal goverment, limited to doing what the constitution allows it to do. And the Conservatives that believe that that is the #1 issue, a much smaller fedgov, doing much less, only what the constitution allows, those will support Ron Paul. Some Conservatives who believe in a mixture of things - more spending in one place, more government in another, but less in a lot of places, might not like Ron Paul, because he believes in less across the board. Conservatives who like more government and more spending in their favorite areas don’t like Ron Paul much.
Ron Paul got in 2008 -
Iowa - 10%
NH - 8%
Nevada - 14%
Maine - 18%
Alaska - 17%
Minnesota - 16%
Montana - 25%
North Dakota - 21%
We’re better known, will have a bunch of money, we’ve been organizing, winning in the straw polls at places like CPAC, a test of organizational strength, so, it’s reasonable with a strong organization and money, an improvement over the Iowa results.
It still remains to be seen what happens if Palin runs. Presumably she would draw huge crowds and get news coverage for everything she did in a state like Iowa or New Hampshire. Last time around, McCain won rather quickly, even though there were many Conservatives who were dissatisfied with him. It’s not unreasonable to think that Palin could win quicker than McCain did. She can put the “Quayled” thing behind her with any number of things, and then what, a truly impressive debate performance. People say “I always liked her, why were they saying she was stupid” and maybe people point out a couple of glaring flaws with Romney, and the possibility of the first female President is a Republican, plus with huge crowds for rallies and such, the idea that she could just win out is not implausible.
The road for Ron Paul is not as easy as that, I’ll completely grant that. There aren’t too many Republicans who would disagree very strongly with Palin on enough issues
to fight against her to the end of a long primary process. Ron Paul would have competition to the end, likely, so it becomes at some point, Ron Paul head to head against someone like Mitt Romney perhaps, or, a 3 way race. However it would work out, I do see possibly a clear easy path for Palin and a tougher but possible path for Ron Paul, and I’m not sure I’d want a lengthy drawn out head to head battle with Romney.
One thing you can say about the race right now, that you know with some certainty, is that Ron Paul will get some delegates. There isn’t anyone that can move into the race that will displace him with his current supporters, who were enough to get delegates last time.